and I guess I have one more question... If using a Beyonder Deck and he is not allowed to use OPD's, even if Living Costume were played on him or some other modifier.
I was just trying to clarify if this also applies to the Fighting Spirit Lives event, Any Heroes and the OPD in your battlesite.
I would assume that they would all not be playable by Beyonder based on the ruling with the modifying specials.
Beyonder can NEVER play OPD Specials. Never never never never never. :)
Never.
Never. :D
Quote from: Jack on July 01, 2011, 11:58:58 AM
Beyonder can NEVER play OPD Specials. Never never never never never. :)
Never.
Never. :D
I'm sorry, I don't think you were clear... when can the Beyonder play One Per Decks?
:P
-BBH
When they aren't specials. :P
I would have to disagree on the Fighting Spirit Lives. The very nature of all Event cards is that they change the rules of the game for that one battle as specified in the text of the Event card. Why then would a restriction on Beyonder playing OPDs supercede the standard rules of an Event card? I can't think of a single other example where an inherant ability or standard rule overrides an Event's effect from coming into play
(Indded the only time I know of that an Event does not affect all Heroes equally is if that Post Special card is in play, which is a clear exception since the text of that Post card is specifically designed to counter Events).
The text on the card: "All special cards in your hand may be played by any hero for remainder of battle.", I'm going to say that the event makes all special cards "Any Hero/Character" and the same rules apply for Any Hero specials that are OPD.
Does this also you can't play the OPD special in the battlesite with a Beyonder activator?
Quote from: Ranerdar on July 02, 2011, 12:32:21 AM
Does this also you can't play the OPD special in the battlesite with a Beyonder activator?
That is correct.
Quote from: Jack on July 02, 2011, 08:46:00 AM
Quote from: Ranerdar on July 02, 2011, 12:32:21 AM
Does this also you can't play the OPD special in the battlesite with a Beyonder activator?
That is correct.
Wow, that sucks. :(
Quote from: Kyle on July 02, 2011, 12:35:12 PM
Quote from: Jack on July 02, 2011, 08:46:00 AM
Quote from: Ranerdar on July 02, 2011, 12:32:21 AM
Does this also you can't play the OPD special in the battlesite with a Beyonder activator?
That is correct.
Wow, that sucks. :(
My sentiments exactly. Learned that the hard way while playing Overpower Online. :-\
Quote from: Jack on July 01, 2011, 11:15:47 PM
The text on the card: "All special cards in your hand may be played by any hero for remainder of battle.", I'm going to say that the event makes all special cards "Any Hero/Character" and the same rules apply for Any Hero specials that are OPD.
i disagree. otherwise, if you get the Event FIGHTING SPIRIT LIVES - and then I get the Event GODS OF STONE then no Specials may be played from our hands :-\
i definitely say that if FSL is in play, the Beyonder can play the OPD Specials.
Quote from: ncannelora on July 02, 2011, 06:24:49 PM
Quote from: Jack on July 01, 2011, 11:15:47 PM
The text on the card: "All special cards in your hand may be played by any hero for remainder of battle.", I'm going to say that the event makes all special cards "Any Hero/Character" and the same rules apply for Any Hero specials that are OPD.
i disagree. otherwise, if you get the Event FIGHTING SPIRIT LIVES - and then I get the Event GODS OF STONE then no Specials may be played from our hands :-\
i definitely say that if FSL is in play, the Beyonder can play the OPD Specials.
This makes sense if you think of it this way. Firstly, Beyonder is not able to play OPDs. Secondly, heroes are not able to play any specials that are not their own unless their IA says otherwise. Finally, the event overrides the fact that characters cannot play anything other than the specials that have their names on it and allows
every hero to play
every special. Why would their be a special exception for Beyonder that says he can't play OPD's even if the event says so versus other heroes who normally can only play their own specials but now can play any other special.
Another situation like this might be that you have Professor X in your deck. And X-Men: Original Team. Then Fighting Spirit Lives is played. Would you argue that X-Men: Original Team could not now play any and all Professor X specials?
Beyonder is a tough case because he doesn't really have an official inherent, just ruling. If his inherent says "may play any teammates' non-OPD specials", then I'll agree that the event allows him to poke into OPDs (then it leaves a gap open for Any Hero cards).
From the Tournament Guide, 'Beyonder cannot play any "One Per Deck" Special Cards', so the guide (albeit an old one, waiting for the newer one) states he cannot play them. An event does not overrule his inherent.
X-Men: Original Team is different, their inherent allows them to play Professor X's OPD specials, the card does not say they aren't allowed to play Professor X's non-OPD specials. The event would grant them access to any specials including Professor X's non-OPDs.
Have to side with Jack. The Beyonder rules would still stand, even in the event of said event card.
His inherant states "Beyonder may play any specials."
His rules however state that Beyonder may not play OPD specials, and can only play teammate's specials.
Even if the event overrode the printed inherant, I think his specific rules would still take precedence.
However, in the case of Fighting Spirit Lives, if ANY hero can play ANY special anyways, I can only see the Beyonder thing being an issue if he's your only remaining character, in which case, the OPDs would be unusable anyways.
Quote from: Demacus on July 14, 2011, 04:56:55 PM
Have to side with Jack. The Beyonder rules would still stand, even in the event of said event card.
His inherant states "Beyonder may play any specials."
His rules however state that Beyonder may not play OPD specials, and can only play teammate's specials.
Even if the event overrode the printed inherant, I think his specific rules would still take precedence.
However, in the case of Fighting Spirit Lives, if ANY hero can play ANY special anyways, I can only see the Beyonder thing being an issue if he's your only remaining character, in which case, the OPDs would be unusable anyways.
Or for defensive OPDs like Charm, Illusory Reality, Danger Seeker, Mind Control, etc.
Sense all battlesite cards are all considered OPD's sense you can't have duplicates does this mean he can't play any battlesite cards? And regarding Any Hero unless he is the only character left on your team the only card this limits play is Guardian gives warning, because all the others can be played by other team members. So I don't see why his ability wouldn't only pertain to his teammates OPD's.
They are not all considered OPD. The make up of the Battlesite is one of each code in the site, and limits to one One Per Deck. Never does it mention they are OPDs.
Beyonder can only play one Any Hero/Character Special card, which is Alien Symboite. Beyonder can never play Guardian Angel.
As it stands, I state Beyonder's inherent ability as:
QuoteCounts as 28 points for Tournament Deckbuilding. May play any teammate's Special cards. May not play "One Per Deck" Special cards.
This clarifies everything needed with Beyonder.
Quote from: Jack on March 12, 2014, 02:22:52 PM
They are not all considered OPD. The make up of the Battlesite is one of each code in the site, and limits to one One Per Deck. Never does it mention they are OPDs.
Beyonder can only play one Any Hero/Character Special card, which is Alien Symboite. Beyonder can never play Guardian Angel.
As it stands, I state Beyonder's inherent ability as:
QuoteCounts as 28 points for Tournament Deckbuilding. May play any teammate's Special cards. May not play "One Per Deck" Special cards.
This clarifies everything needed with Beyonder.
I understand I'm asking us to crawl in the heads of geniuses who created the Meta rules but my question wasn't about game play and how he's played. I was there when this rule came out for tournament play. My question pertained to the thoughts behind the rule. As I stated, unless Beyonder is your ONLY hero left, the only Any Hero card LIMITED by play by this rule is "Guardian gives warning". All others like "Bastion" can just be played by another hero FOR Beyonder.
Now Battlesite cards were created as an alternative to Any Hero, hence why you can only have "one of each code type". And I understand Beyonder can play all these cards himself except the OPD. But my question is, why? For fairness to both sides, the Any Hero, and the Battlesite, why doesn't the rule just pertain to his teammates OPD's?
I think that's the problem right from the get-go - the people who came up with the Meta Rules were far from being geniuses..., trying to get into their heads will make your brain hurt. :P
I can't tell you why Beyonder's rule doesn't just pertain to teammate's OPDs... but I will say that it's a good rule, and a straightforward one.
His (adjusted) inherent states, 'may not play OPD special cards.' There's no other modifier, and that makes it nice and clear. If it's a special, and a One-Per-Deck, then he can't play it. There's no debating the wording, unlike other examples in this game.
I agree that the rule is good and clear cut. But then why not make him unable to play Battle site cards as well? Sense they are in "essence" all One per decks just like Any Heroes? You can call them "One per codes" all you want it means the same thing. The fact that the Meta gods didn't stick around long enough to make an exception doesn't change the fact. And yes I am a member of the Beyonder hate club.
So if Beyonder is with Post who is already KO'd. Beyonder plays lethal tester on X-man's Ultimate Potential: Is BEYONDER playing the opd or is X-MAN being persuaded to play it or as Chuu suggested The special "owns" the card and is playing it? I still dont understand the tester's mechanic. maybe no one does?