Hello fellow players,
1. If a battle results in a tie, the cards venture do not return to the reserve pile, but rather, remain ventured for the next battle. If the following venture results in a total value (3+) that would normally allow my opponent (or vice-versa) to draw cards, do they draw because of the total number of cards now ventured?
2. If Sunfire's 'Controlled Burn' hits successfully, he is only allowed to attack from reserve for the remained of battle: correct? Further more, If he has a power card placed on him and 'Controlled Burn' allows him to attack, if that Power card is a duplicate of a Power card I currently have, does one have to be discarded? I believe the answer would be yes, but I wanted to check.
You draw based on the current round's ventures.
Controlled Burn lasts while he's in reserve. There is no dupe check after the card lands. For the next battle, assuming the power card is still there, it is considered a dupe.
As always, thanks Jack.
I must say, I am surprised at the verdict regarding Sunfire.
The reserve part is still iffy, I could be wrong about it because of the EB and KC rulings. The "while in Reserve" portion is good enough in my books to have an explicit duration.
As for the duplicate part, I'm 100% confident in it.
MT specials are battle lasting only. So once the battle is over that character can no longer attack from reserve.
But I agree with you on the dupe factor. Because the dupe placed to reserve isn't usable until that special hits, then you get to keep it. It must be playable at the time of the discard phase in order to be considered a duplicate.
-BBH
Thanks guys.
Man, MT is a horrible card then. I'd rather have a doubleshot. :P
no
MT is awesome
I can't believe I overlooked Sunfire for this long, honestly. The guy is a monster in the back row.
I'm using "Hellfire Club Attacked!" to load him up with hits when he's able to use "Radiate Heat". Atomic Flame is just ridiculous, as well.
Quote from: BigBadHarve on January 14, 2013, 04:22:08 PM
MT specials are battle lasting only. So once the battle is over that character can no longer attack from reserve.
Really? I thought "while" was a duration.
MT isn't OPD, but it does state a duration. "While in Reserve". Otherwise it would say "May attack from Reserve". Once Sunfire leaves reserve, the duration ends, even if he's shoved back into Reserve.
(Again, unless there's an official meta rule or something, in which case that prevails over things like logic and the meaning of words)
Yeah it seems like it'd go beyond just that battle. The creators of OP had enough card making experience by then to know enough to make the distinction between remainder of battle and remainder of game. Also it seems to be like the card for Spawn that allows him to continue attacking the reserve. It makes no sense that it'd just be that battle.
The MT was given a duration of Battle in the meta ruling list.
Quote from: Hotobu on January 16, 2013, 11:12:15 PM
Yeah it seems like it'd go beyond just that battle. The creators of OP had enough card making experience by then to know enough to make the distinction between remainder of battle and remainder of game. Also it seems to be like the card for Spawn that allows him to continue attacking the reserve. It makes no sense that it'd just be that battle.
It makes no sense? Welcome to the nitty gritty of Overpower. The same people who gave us the Four Freedoms Plaza and didn't think it was broken as written. :P
There's unfortunately a severe lack of consistency, particularly when it comes to the duration of cards.
My favourite to gripe about are KC specials (Mole Man, social outcast).
They fall under the duration meta rule - OPD= Game lasting, non-OPD = battle lasting. Despite the text that states 'Until KO'd or may not be attacked.'
Likewise EB specials that state '...until this special is attacked.'
But nope, these cards aren't OPD and therefore must be battle lasting.
But wait! What about BR coded specials? (Leader: Freehold) They are not OPD, and their printed duration is worded similar to the KC specials... 'until KO'd' Why does the rule apply to one and not the other?
Ugh. Don't get me on that rant. It's late and I should be in bed... :P
shame a good card like that is more specific
Quote from: BigBadHarve on January 17, 2013, 02:32:44 AM
Quote from: Hotobu on January 16, 2013, 11:12:15 PM
Yeah it seems like it'd go beyond just that battle. The creators of OP had enough card making experience by then to know enough to make the distinction between remainder of battle and remainder of game. Also it seems to be like the card for Spawn that allows him to continue attacking the reserve. It makes no sense that it'd just be that battle.
It makes no sense? Welcome to the nitty gritty of Overpower. The same people who gave us the Four Freedoms Plaza and didn't think it was broken as written. :P
There's unfortunately a severe lack of consistency, particularly when it comes to the duration of cards.
My favourite to gripe about are KC specials (Mole Man, social outcast).
They fall under the duration meta rule - OPD= Game lasting, non-OPD = battle lasting. Despite the text that states 'Until KO'd or may not be attacked.'
Likewise EB specials that state '...until this special is attacked.'
But nope, these cards aren't OPD and therefore must be battle lasting.
But wait! What about BR coded specials? (Leader: Freehold) They are not OPD, and their printed duration is worded similar to the KC specials... 'until KO'd' Why does the rule apply to one and not the other?
Ugh. Don't get me on that rant. It's late and I should be in bed... :P
That's why I think that particular meta rule is dumb.
i agree
Quote from: steve2275 on January 17, 2013, 06:04:23 AM
i agree
So... are we all subtly agreeing to make Sunfire's MT card last ... as long as he is in Reserve...? because that'd be SA-WEET!! One of my favorite decks puts Sunfire in Reserve and I use this card in that deck, so it'd be a nice boost 8)
Quote from: ncannelora on January 19, 2013, 10:32:31 PM
Quote from: steve2275 on January 17, 2013, 06:04:23 AM
i agree
So... are we all subtly agreeing to make Sunfire's MT card last ... as long as he is in Reserve...? because that'd be SA-WEET!! One of my favorite decks puts Sunfire in Reserve and I use this card in that deck, so it'd be a nice boost 8)
yup
the play as written philosiphy
Ya know, why not errata cards for the community? Blanket errata on certain codes would work fine.
With Sunfire, it's just a 4 that if successful (yeah right) lets you attack from reserve for remainder of battle. That's just a 4. That ability wouldn't even be worth trying utilize in a strategy of any kind. It's nothing. It's a DC special.
But make its duration game lasting, and I can see a little more potential. Not really even that much. You can't put a buncha Sunfire specials in your deck simply because you're banking on making a successful level 4 attack to play them. 4's are easy to block. As easy as any attack in the game, I would almost dare say. Any numerical avoid stops them, and almost every power card blocks them. Plus the ability itself isn't that great. What do you really get if Sunfire can attack from reserve? Each power card in the deck is likely playable by every frontline teammate, so you don't really benefit from his ability to attack from reserve there. Sunfire might make a followup to a teamwork from reserve or play one of his 2 special cards that were put in the deck in case he moves to frontline. So why not just make it, and other the other MT duration for remainder of game via errata?
And with EB's? Errata them. Change remainder of battle to remainder of game. And if it isn't listed on the text, add "for remainder of game." Taskmaster, Multiple Man's XMEN EB, Silver Sable, Brood, etc... their EB's all smell horrible.
I don't see that it's a huge problem to make some hard tested errata's for certain cards like these. Why haven't you guys already made some adjustments to cards with your own errata lists? What other cards/codes might be subject to errata in this manner?
we've tried
if someone doesn't agree to one rule that other's think makes sense, it falls apart. that's why it always defaults back to official rules
That's fair enough... well, I think an official revised rules set could be established... I rather like BBH's revisions... put those necessary errata's in place, and have a new tournament format. I'll come to Toronto. I ain't skeered.