Does it protect your placed cards against Power Leech?
It protects your placed cards against ALL attempts to remove them.
Cards in hand are still subject to the effects.
-BBH
that's a good question: here's the text
Invisible Woman's Teams Placed cards may not be played, moved or discarded by Opponent for remainder of game. (FS)
here's leech:
Opponent must immediately discard 4 cards of opponent's choice with icon of Leech's choice currently placed or in hand. (BY)
i've been told that the FS protects you from leech. though i could see it being ruled the other way. it would certainly protect you from an AI, but leech says 4 cards of opponents choice.
also, is an event played by the opponent, an 'action' by the opponent?
Why does it matter who's choice it was for discarding cards?
Quote from: BigBadHarve on October 24, 2012, 03:13:46 PM
It protects your placed cards against ALL attempts to remove them.
Cards in hand are still subject to the effects.
-BBH
Awesome! Love the card even more now. :)
Quote from: breadmaster on October 24, 2012, 03:14:15 PM
also, is an event played by the opponent, an 'action' by the opponent?
This is also a follow up I was going to ask. If Conceal protects against Events that make you discard placed cards.
well, with leech, which cards you discard is up to you. this can work both ways
you can choose to discard placed cards, if what you have in hand is better.
or there is no choice, and the placed cards can't be discarded regardless, and the ones in hand have to go
That doesn't make a difference, Power Leech discards 4 cards total. Since the ones that are placed cannot be touched, they would all have to be from your hand.
Effectively, with the FS card, assume that your placed cards do not exist to your opponent -- just as the NJ specials ignore any specials in play.
Quote from: Nate Grey on October 24, 2012, 06:30:22 PM
Quote from: BigBadHarve on October 24, 2012, 03:13:46 PM
It protects your placed cards against ALL attempts to remove them.
Cards in hand are still subject to the effects.
-BBH
Awesome! Love the card even more now. :)
Quote from: breadmaster on October 24, 2012, 03:14:15 PM
also, is an event played by the opponent, an 'action' by the opponent?
This is also a follow up I was going to ask. If Conceal protects against Events that make you discard placed cards.
I want to say it protects against Events, because that'd be so much more useful, but I don't think it would. Particularly, because Events affect the game, not the opponents or the characters (essentially, this is the intent I think). Also, the biggest benefit would be to build your own deck to that purpose, but then it wouldn't even be the Opponent's Event :-\
Thanks ncann for your thoughts on the card. I'm kinda with you on the Events. I don't think Conceal would protect against them.
(http://overpower.ca/cards/specials/651.png)
the card in question
That's the card alright. Thanks Steve. Is there any other character that has an FS special?
I think I see Bread's point on this one.
I'm not so sure that if my placed cards are Concealed that I would lose the option to discard them via a Power Leech, if I choose to. Just because something is being protected from being attacked doesn't mean I don't have the right to sacrifice that same something if the opportunity arises.
I'm not saying my opponent's Power Leech would disregard my Conceal, but that if he does Leech, and I DO get to choose my 4, I should be allowed to choose any 4 of my potential cards if I want, with the OPTION to not discard any placed cards. My cards would be Concealed from my opponent, but since he's forcing me to discard, and I see that I have 1-4 cards in my hand that I'd like to keep, and I have 1-4 cards placed that the Leech COULD also affect, I should be allowed to discard 1-4 of those if I choose to. I shouldn't be FORCED to empty my hand just because my opponent isn't allowed to FORCE me to discard my placed cards.
So if I have Conceal in play and my opponent Power Leeches me, I have to discard up to 4 cards in hand with x icon, right?
righty-o
but the best scenario is having it in hand and playing it defensively!
then again, maybe not...could you still play the card, AND discard from hand. that would be like, a half-defense or something
Quote from: breadmaster on March 10, 2013, 05:30:22 PM
righty-o
but the best scenario is having it in hand and playing it defensively!
then again, maybe not...could you still play the card, AND discard from hand. that would be like, a half-defense or something
OOH! good question. Bumping this up hoping for a reply.
Also I'm still hoping to get a clear ruling on whether Conceal can protect against Events. For example, having placed TW cards and then the Hideout Discovered Any Mission Event is played.
Invisible woman marvels
(http://overpower.ca/cards/specials/651.png)
Does it still have an effect after she is ko'd?
And this would def defend against power leech?
Would conceal change power leech's text to omit 'placed or'.
it stays in affect after her ko
as I understand, if you play it defensively, it will stop you from discarding placed cards, but you'll still have to discard from hand
to sidetrack a bit...I wonder if you could use this against an 'opponent' AI. normally, they can only be negated, but the FS protects the team. i'm guessing it can't defend against aspects or team overpower, since they are not part of the 'team'
Quote from: breadmaster on June 28, 2013, 12:25:54 AM
it stays in affect after her ko
as I understand, if you play it defensively, it will stop you from discarding placed cards, but you'll still have to discard from hand
to sidetrack a bit...I wonder if you could use this against an 'opponent' AI. normally, they can only be negated, but the FS protects the team. i'm guessing it can't defend against aspects or team overpower, since they are not part of the 'team'
I agree that the card should protect all cards placed to characters, regardless of the type of discard-attack (AI, BY, untargeted, targeted, etc). I also agree that the FS wouldn't protect your Homebase, so any Aspect placed, or Any Hero cards placed to Team Overpower, would not be protected...
Quote from: Nate Grey on March 28, 2013, 02:44:29 AM
Quote from: breadmaster on March 10, 2013, 05:30:22 PM
righty-o
but the best scenario is having it in hand and playing it defensively!
then again, maybe not...could you still play the card, AND discard from hand. that would be like, a half-defense or something
OOH! good question. Bumping this up hoping for a reply.
Also I'm still hoping to get a clear ruling on whether Conceal can protect against Events. For example, having placed TW cards and then the Hideout Discovered Any Mission Event is played.
I'd definitely say yes to both. The Event cards are certainly not played by any Characters, but they're certainly still "played" and the player would be the "opponent" - so I'd say that answers the question, there.
Thanks!
http://overpower.ca/archive/Ripayuheadoff/marvelguide/FS.html
QuoteThis Special protects all cards placed to your team, all four Characters and the Homebase, from any cards played by the opponent, including Event cards.
Everything that is placed is protected.
As mentioned in the FS post (why did you make that one when only one character has FS?):
QuoteThis Special protects all cards placed to your team, all four Characters and the Homebase, from any cards played by the opponent, including Event cards.
Requesting merge with other thread.
Quote from: Jack on June 29, 2013, 09:21:24 AM
http://overpower.ca/archive/Ripayuheadoff/marvelguide/FS.html
QuoteThis Special protects all cards placed to your team, all four Characters and the Homebase, from any cards played by the opponent, including Event cards.
Everything that is placed is protected.
well there you have it! I wouldn't have guessed that the Homebase would be protected, but I'm also all for making cards better!
Hmm. Sorry, wasnt exactly sure. I was on a limited browser....
This clears it up, thanks!
I'm still unclear> let's say I have 4 icons x placed and 2 in hand and coneal is in play. I'm leeched. can I get away with discarding 2 in hand and that's it. this wasn't addressed so far in this post (?)
Your opponent doesn't "see" your Placed cards. Only cards in your hands can be removed with Power Leech.
The card says it protects your placed cards from your opponent but you can if you wish discard your placed cards and yes if your leeched you can just discard 2 cards from your hand if thats all you have to discard.
my thoughts:
Events can't target already affected cards. so what events would cause you to discard placed cards?
power leech would make it so all 4 cards need to come from the hand. but say you only have 1 valid card in your hand. leech only did one.
defensive FS against power leech would only cause you to discard from your hand but this action would only be useful if you had less than 4 valid cards in your hand.
Quote from: Jack on June 29, 2013, 09:21:24 AM
http://overpower.ca/archive/Ripayuheadoff/marvelguide/FS.html
QuoteThis Special protects all cards placed to your team, all four Characters and the Homebase, from any cards played by the opponent, including Event cards.
Everything that is placed is protected.
Yes! Finally my Event question is answered. Thanks Jack!
If I play confusion against a placed teamwork on in. Woman team and forgot that conceal is in play. Do I discard confusion and it ends my turn or is it a reneg and I lose battle or is it a brain fart & I could try something else. Let's pretend I do this at a tournament and a judge is called
in my opinion, if conceal is in play, you shouldn't be able to play confusion to target that TW so it wouldn't be a playable card and you'd have to try something else.
i believe the current ruling in tournaments, is that if a judge is called, it is indeed considered a brain fart. you'd get the card back, and choose a different offensive action
I agree.
You just get confusion back and try something else.
Thanks, gentlemen!