What house rules does everyone actually use?

[rucker73]

Yeah the alternative is much better. (My personal fave char) has a Draw 3, a 9 or less, and an 11 multi. So does every other character. This is so fun! A card has an effect instead of being an attack? Add "draw a card" to it so there is no tactical decision to make whether or not you should use it. Homemades are great, how could anybody just play with the existing cardpool that still hasn't been fully explored....simpletons.

Nice attitude Onslaught   

and I got booted   

[Bios]

Yeah the alternative is much better. (My personal fave char) has a Draw 3, a 9 or less, and an 11 multi. So does every other character. This is so fun! A card has an effect instead of being an attack? Add "draw a card" to it so there is no tactical decision to make whether or not you should use it. Homemades are great, how could anybody just play with the existing cardpool that still hasn't been fully explored....simpletons.

Nice attitude Onslaught  

and I got booted  

Its ok, everyone has the right to express personal convictions. There is a word for an ideology that says that everyone has to think the same, its called socialism.

By the way, I do have a HM like the one Onslaught just mentioned. That character is Galactus, and he is quite an outilier, as is his massive sum grid. From a group of 90 HM characters, only other 2 have a "Draw 3" in my sets (Mr. Fantastic and Wolverine).

For the "9 or less", I am guilty of creating 9 characters with the card (10%). The idea was giving the card to characters with different power mixes, allowing new combinations other than the regular Energy/Fighting deck based in Spawn. One of the premises in my homemade sets is that no character with a power grid sum lower of 19 points can have a card like a "9 or less" and most are over 21 points.
If someone decides to create a hundred characters with a sum grid of 23 points and all with "9 or less" specials, it won't be a big deal, since the 76 sum deck rule won't allow the use of 2 "23 points" characters in the same deck.
The original pool of cards didn't take that on account, as we have characters like Xaos and Spider-Girl.

I am just giving my personal opinion and viewpoints, as I respect others with different viewpoints.

[Palatinus]

I like the idea of homemade cards, but I lean more towards the idea of adding something not already in the game instead of just beefing up existing characters with existing card types.  I was playing with someone last night and they asked "Why doesn't every character have these cards?" and basically that's the point of having different characters with powers and abilities related to the character design.  I think the point Nostalgic was making was a bit more eloquent way of saying the same kind of thing Onslaught was saying about just making each character ubiquitous.  But Onslaught has another point about modifying a card pool that still has so many possibilities.  If there weren't still so many new ways to play then we would be down to two, maybe three decks that were unbeatable by anything but each other.  It doesn't really seem to be that way.  Aside from the random aspect of the draw, there are still lots of new ways to design decks to make them both competitive and fun.  On the other hand, as has been discussed in the DC only deck thread, DC only decks can't really compete with the rest of the card pool, so there is something to be said for making DC a bit better.

Also, I guess it's fair to make a clear distinction between homemades and house rules.  Homemades that follow all the original rules are not really house rules and house rules that modify how existing cards are played are not really homemades.

Also, I think everyone should be happy to have so many other people playing even when they play with different ideas.  If something makes the game more fun for others, that's great.  And as long as when people get together to play they can all agree on a set of rules, preferably the original rules since that seems to be the most fair if everyone can't agree on something else, then there really isn't a problem.  Also, if someone is putting the time and effort and prizes up for hosting a tournament and would like everyone to play by their particular house rules, that seems fair too.

[rucker73]

I am just giving my personal opinion and viewpoints, as I respect others with different viewpoints.

Also, I think everyone should be happy to have so many other people playing even when they play with different ideas.  If something makes the game more fun for others, that's great.  And as long as when people get together to play they can all agree on a set of rules, preferably the original rules since that seems to be the most fair if everyone can't agree on something else, then there really isn't a problem.  Also, if someone is putting the time and effort and prizes up for hosting a tournament and would like everyone to play by their particular house rules, that seems fair too.

I really like and agree with both of these statements.  I am all for the sharing of ideas and different viewpoints I am not all for being dismissive of others and calling them simpletons for having a different opinion than your own.

I do agree with Onslaught on one thing though (who would have ever thought?)  and that is that the existing card pool is still full of potential for building different and competitive decks. 

[Palatinus]

I really like and agree with both of these statements.  I am all for the sharing of ideas and different viewpoints I am not all for being dismissive of others and calling them simpletons for having a different opinion than your own.

I do agree with Onslaught on one thing though (who would have ever thought?)  and that is that the existing card pool is still full of potential for building different and competitive decks. 

I do agree.  Sometimes it might seem like extreme language is the best way to express one's disapproval or disagreement with other's ideas or behavior, but really, an eloquent, intelligent response is usually the best way to counter ideas with which one disagrees.  And I agree with Onslaught on a lot of things.  He does have a gruff way of putting things at times though.

[Nostalgic]

Yeah the alternative is much better. (My personal fave char) has a Draw 3, a 9 or less, and an 11 multi. So does every other character. This is so fun! A card has an effect instead of being an attack? Add "draw a card" to it so there is no tactical decision to make whether or not you should use it. Homemades are great, how could anybody just play with the existing cardpool that still hasn't been fully explored....simpletons.

Nice attitude Onslaught   

and I got booted   

Well it's because you were rude and abusive and Onsalught is just...gruff(?). 

I do agree.  Sometimes it might seem like extreme language is the best way to express one's disapproval or disagreement with other's ideas or behavior, but really, an eloquent, intelligent response is usually the best way to counter ideas with which one disagrees.  And I agree with Onslaught on a lot of things.  He does have a gruff way of putting things at times though.

I know he's just expressing his opinion.  He's doing it in a supercilious and juvenile way, but that's him and we love it...apparently.


Onslaught @ Palatinus:

Hey cool the owner of this forum who never contributes anything to discussion ever decides to show up and start moving the few posts that there are into more fragmented subforums.

There isn't enough traffic to warrant paying attention to a bunch of different sections, just put everything back under one big general forum for OP discussion like it was before. Thanks in advance.

You have 12 posts, and none of them are about anything related to gameplay at all. Let the people actually contributing stuff decide where stuff should go instead of showing up for the first time in months and deciding you feel like moving things around. 
Seriously just put it back how it was, don't make a big deal out of it.

Onslaught @ ncannelora

I just think you have a somewhat childish/egocentric view of the game. You want the best cards to be nerfed down to the power level of your favorite cards, so that the stuff you like is as good as the top tier stuff. This is silly, because no matter how much you nerf the top tier, something else will rise as top tier in its place. You can ban every character in the game except Leader and Ka-Zaar, and one of them will still rise as the best/most overplayed.

Onslaught @ anyone who likes to use homemade... 

Homemades are great, how could anybody just play with the existing cardpool that still hasn't been fully explored....simpletons.

What's funny to me is he acts as though his opinion is 'morally' superior or something.  I mean it's like, "Hey I'm a GENIOUS because I put a team together with complementary power grids, 2 characters have teammate avoids, and a negate character."  *yawn* Everybody knows that and that's fine, good, great, and entertaining!  Now I'd like to hear about, some 2 on 2 battles, or 3-way games, or see some new character specials, or figure out how to make my favorite character (who amazingly may not be in the top 20  ) work with a particular team, etc.  It's all about keeping it fresh and getting different perspectives.

Everybody knows overpower was an evolving game.  Event cards, inherent abilities, intellect icon, location cards, tactic cards, aspect cards, etc.  all came as the game progressed.  Everybody knows some of the most popular characters got the shaft simply because they came out first and later as the game evolved less known characters benefited.  Everybody knows there were numerous contradictions in card interpretations and rulings.  Overpower was/is a great game, but not perfect, nothing man-made is. So if some people want to create house rules to streamline and minimize the need to reference an entirely different and equally long document outside the basic rule book that's great. (BBH  )   Or if someone wants to create homemade cards that spread the negate/ teammate avoids across the different power types to appropriate characters (something a consistent group of card designers with vision would/should have done anyway) that should be applauded. (BIOS  )

I'm not arguing it's an "either," "or" situation.  I'm saying it's "both," "and" and that's fine.  Nobody is 'more right' or quite frankly 'smarter' than anybody else because they stick with all the old contradictions and stuff.  I can play both ways.  Many things in the world are not black and white.  They're different shades of grey.

Now if they were still producing cards and sanctioning tournaments and all, I'd see things differently... 

[Palatinus]

You're right that there needs to be new stuff for Overpower to continue to be viable and without an authority to control it there is no one "right way".  The fact that anyone can get so much use out of a card game that has been out of print for so long is a testament to how great it was/is.  I know people don't like the way Onslaught says things.  I know he has said things to me that I don't like.  He also contributes a lot of stuff like everyone else does.  He does say things in a supercilious and juvenile way sometimes, but that seems to just be him responding to stuff with his gut before he thinks about it..  But let's not start a big fight about that.  Let's just focus on how great Overpower is and give any ideas on how we like to make it more fun.

[Nostalgic]

You're right that there needs to be new stuff for Overpower to continue to be viable and without an authority to control it there is no one "right way".  The fact that anyone can get so much use out of a card game that has been out of print for so long is a testament to how great it was/is.  I know people don't like the way Onslaught says things.  I know he has said things to me that I don't like.  He also contributes a lot of stuff like everyone else does.  He does say things in a supercilious and juvenile way sometimes, but that seems to just be him responding to stuff with his gut before he thinks about it..  But let's not start a big fight about that.  Let's just focus on how great Overpower is and give any ideas on how we like to make it more fun.

Awesome. 

Just don't let it get to this mentality...granted it may be too late. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvJiYrRcfQo&feature=related

[Palatinus]

I love that movie.

[drdeath25]

Hey Nostalgic, I really hope you read all of his posts while going through his post history to copy/paste this irrelevant stuff in this House Rulings thread, you might have been able to learn a thing or two about advanced overpower strategy ;-)

[Nostalgic]

Hey Nostalgic, I really hope you read all of his posts while going through his post history to copy/paste this irrelevant stuff in this House Rulings thread, you might have been able to learn a thing or two about advanced overpower strategy ;-)

Yea let's check out your advanced strategy. (Nevermind...)



Dr. D. - "I 100% agree with Onsalught."

[Palatinus]

But anyway . . . does anyone else have anything to say about house rules?

[rucker73]

Now if they were still producing cards and sanctioning tournaments and all, I'd see things differently... 

I don't know if you would.  I believe that had they continued to produce cards that a lot of the issues and the home mades that we see now probably would have come into the game at some point in some way.  Like you said Nostalgic, Overpower was an evolving game the whole way through it's run, which is why I am completely cool with people who take the time and energy to open up the card pool and make minor rule adjustments.

I have always hated the fact that many classic comic book characters are basically (according to "The LAW"/Onslaught and Dr.D) unusable.  And I love the fact that through home mades and house rules they can be made more playable.

as far as this thread about favorite house rules/ home mades.   In my opinion the simpler the better and by simpler I mean the closest to the original game.  I love using the Marvel's, I find that they vastly opened up the usable character pool, and I wish that there had been a similar set for the villains made (Absolute Evil)  and if Jack and the boys who do home mades were to work up a set to put into his new Overpower Online that would be fantastic.

[Nate Grey]

If I could ever get my hands on good quality made "The Marvels" cards, then I'd probably use them with my friends. We don't really like the thought of using proxies. Aside from that, we have been adhering to the Overpower rules as I continue to learn all the new ones. Eventually I might adopt BBH's house rules since I find myself agreeing enormously with why he incorporates them. 

[gameplan.exe]

I was just reminded of another House Rule we usually allow. If some one makes a pre-IQ deck, we don't enforce the Sum Deck Rule. So, this is not just if they're using a 12-stat team, it's that they aren't allowed to use any cards released after Mission Control.

I don't know that it's a "House Rule" so much as it is an exception for "time travel"