Re-wording and revisualizing a few cards I'll have printed out for myself.
Any other rareish cards that need rewording? Not just on the codes or making them OPDs but on how to actually use them.
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a little preview of my "Overpower at the Movies" cards. Of course, these are inserts aside from the movie cards.
Try rewording Substitute Death for Morph. That might be fun!
My try:
A. Play before a teammate is KO'd, immediately exchange Morph with any 1 teammate in the dead heroes pile. Discard all placed cards. All of Morph's hits remain in place.
B. Play before a teammate is KO'd, immediately before a teammate is sent to the dead heroes pile- switch Morph's and that teammate's hits. Discard all placed cards.
C. Play before a teammate is KO'd, immediately before a teammate is sent to the dead heroes pile- switch Morph and that teammate. Discard all placed cards. All of Morph's hits remain in place.
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The way i understand it is: you can play this as early as you want. but after this is played morph must switch with the first hero ko'd. no placed cards are kept and any/all hits morph had would still be on the originally ko'd hero.
I don't understand the meta rules pertaining to this card on the wiki: Meta #32 If conditions are such that the card cannot be played this battle unless the opponent performs some action, then the card must be placed or discarded as unusable. If the player holds cards that can create the situation by which the card would be playable, then it can be kept in hand.
Meta #153 Specials which can make other cards (Specials, Power cards, etc.) usable allow you to keep those unusable cards in hand during the discard phase. The Special to make them usable must be available (e.g., Placed, in Hand, available through a specific draw - not through a random draw).
Think a little more intuitively about how the creators intended for the card to be played. What do you believe the card itself is supposed to represent?
My first experience with Morph was in the 90's cartoon, when he took one for Wolverine. So basically the way I read the card was "If a character is ko'd this battle, Morph can take his place." That's without getting into technical wording and all that. But basically, that's the way I think the card is supposed to be played.
Well you have a go.
Okay... here we go. I'm thinking that the way the HP is being played, it takes two actions to res your teammate. The first one is playing the card. The second is discarding the HP to revive the character, killing Morph. So here's the best I can do:
Substitute Death: Play this card face up on the table. For remainder of game, you may discard Substitute Death to exchange a ko'd teammate and Morph. Discard all placed cards. This card may not be played until at least one teammate has been ko'd. (OPD)
Quote from: thetrooper27 on December 14, 2012, 04:55:53 PM
This card may not be played until at least one teammate has been ko'd. (OPD)
are you saying this the right way?
The way I'm understanding from everyone here is that "play during current battle, after one teammate has been ko'd" means that it's playable in any battle as long as a teammate has bitten the dust in the same current battle or a previous one. Check out the "FD Specials" thread for the full discussion.
http://overpower.ca/wiki/HP
This Special does not need to be played during the battle that a character is KO'd
so it can be played 1st hand and is lasting until you choose to sacrifice morph and the cards placed to him.
It doesn't have to be the same battle, but I'm sure it can't be played unless a teammate is ko'd, according to the wiki and the guys involved in the chat.
Rules Questions: FD Specials... it's all in there, I think. Maybe I missed something though, so check it out for me.
Quote from: BasiliskFang on December 15, 2012, 03:51:04 AM
http://overpower.ca/wiki/HP
This Special does not need to be played during the battle that a character is KO'd
so it can be played 1st hand and is lasting until you choose to sacrifice morph and the cards placed to him.
This is false. The text reads:
Play in current battle, after one teammate is KO'd. Immediately exchange KO'd teammate and Morph. Discard all Placed cards. All hits remain.
Granted the comma in the first sentence is unnecessary, but it's still a sentence. It's one complete thought expressing two conditions. The first condition is that you play it in the current battle, and the second condition is after a teammate is KO'd. You're reading it wrong. I'll rewrite it to show how you're reading it.
Play in current battle. After one teammate is KO'd immediately exchange KO'd teammate and Morph. Discard all Placed cards. All hits remain.
This is completely different. The first sentence says when the special should be played, and it goes on to give conditions.
There is only one condition to play Substitute Death: a teammate must already be KO'd. It doesn't matter when it happened (same battle or previous battle), and it takes effect immediately. It's as simple as that.
"Substitute Death: Play this card face up on the table. For remainder of game, you may discard Substitute Death to exchange a ko'd teammate and Morph. Discard all placed cards. This card may not be played until at least one teammate has been ko'd. (OPD)"
So how did I do? ;D Does my wording cover it right?
Quote from: thetrooper27 on December 15, 2012, 04:55:20 AM
"Substitute Death: Play this card face up on the table. For remainder of game, you may discard Substitute Death to exchange a ko'd teammate and Morph. Discard all placed cards. This card may not be played until at least one teammate has been ko'd. (OPD)"
So how did I do? ;D Does my wording cover it right?
No not at all. The card is worded fine as is. I don't understand the confusion.
Quote from: thetrooper27 on December 15, 2012, 04:55:20 AM
"Substitute Death: Play this card face up on the table. For remainder of game, you may discard Substitute Death to exchange a ko'd teammate and Morph. Discard all placed cards. This card may not be played until at least one teammate has been ko'd. (OPD)"
So how did I do? ;D Does my wording cover it right?
Sorry, you missed another point - the immediacy of it. You cannot elect to "discard" Substitute Death. It has an immediate effect once it's played. Also, in your re-wording, it would take 2 turns, which is bad. ;)
Apparently I don't understand how this card is supposed to be played, or was intended to be played. Anyway, I place it to Morph until a character is ko'd, at which time, on my turn as my action, I play substitute death. I don't play it any other battle than the current one, and I don't swap for a character other than the one that was immediately ko'd this battle. It's a death substitute, and thats how I play it. One action, at the time my guy is ko'd. If I didn't have it when my teammate was ko'd then I don't get to res him. I'll just have to save it for the next guy on his way to the locker room. I'm probably playing it wrong, but I'm not bright enough to understand how the card is supposed to be played, and this is the best I can do, and no one can seem to help me understand how to play it properly, further strengthening the case that my intellect is less than Rhino's... even he could probably play this card game properly. Thetrooper27?... not so much. I'm changing my handle to thebuffoon27. Look for it.
You guys are complicating the simplest things.
Just remove the first sentence and HP is clear.
QuoteImmediately exchange KO'd teammate and Morph. Discard all Placed cards. All Hits remain.
Though, I'd probably want to add
On your turn, to prefix the card so you can't swap Morph out during a defensive action to, say, X-Babies and become immune to the KO.
That's how it reads to me. Immediately exchange ko'd teammate and Morph. Why would they put IMMEDIATELY in the wording if it didn't pertain to a character being immediately ko'd? ??? Not to mention, it doesn't say "a" ko'd teammate and Morph. It just says "exchange ko'd teammate", as if to imply the one that just got his face bashed in. It just doesn't seem to stretch far enough to exchange a teammate ko'd in a previous battle. Someone dies in current battle, you play on your turn during that same battle, and immediately exchange ko'd teammate and Morph. I like being able to get any ko'd teammate... that's much better and makes the card even better! Not disputing that. I'm just thinking that isn't how they meant for the card to be played in the beginning. The meta rule is what makes it confusing. I'll play it the way you guys say to play it... I trust you guys... but the whole reason all of this discussion began is because I felt that the wording was confusing as to how the card is actually played, and I've tried my best to convey my reasons why I feel this way. Maybe it isn't confusing to everyone else, but to this simpleton, it's confusing. :P No crime.. I'm still a cool guy 8)... but reword it for me to make it read more like it actually plays... and while you're at it, if it isn't too much trouble of course, put a cool pic of Morph getting killed with it so I can print it and use it. :-X
Quote from: thetrooper27 on December 19, 2012, 10:54:04 PM
That's how it reads to me. Immediately exchange ko'd teammate and Morph. Why would they put IMMEDIATELY in the wording if it didn't pertain to a character being immediately ko'd? ??? Not to mention, it doesn't say "a" ko'd teammate and Morph. It just says "exchange ko'd teammate", as if to imply the one that just got his face bashed in. It just doesn't seem to stretch far enough to exchange a teammate ko'd in a previous battle. Someone dies in current battle, you play on your turn during that same battle, and immediately exchange ko'd teammate and Morph. I like being able to get any ko'd teammate... that's much better and makes the card even better! Not disputing that. I'm just thinking that isn't how they meant for the card to be played in the beginning. The meta rule is what makes it confusing. I'll play it the way you guys say to play it... I trust you guys... but the whole reason all of this discussion began is because I felt that the wording was confusing as to how the card is actually played, and I've tried my best to convey my reasons why I feel this way. Maybe it isn't confusing to everyone else, but to this simpleton, it's confusing. :P No crime.. I'm still a cool guy 8)... but reword it for me to make it read more like it actually plays... and while you're at it, if it isn't too much trouble of course, put a cool pic of Morph getting killed with it so I can print it and use it. :-X
how about this:
On your turn, play this card to immediately discard Morph's placed cards and exchange him with any KO'd teammate. All hits remain.
???
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added my ZY card to the first post
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That's awesome. Is that the Living Tribunal?
yup
Where did the pic go? :o
Hey BFang, make that Subtitute Death for me if you get time.
Quote from: thetrooper27 on December 29, 2012, 02:03:02 PM
Where did the pic go? :o
Hey BFang, make that Subtitute Death for me if you get time.
we never changed the wording, jack came in and said we were reading it wrong.
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From X-Men 42, he substitutes himself for Charles. So this is his death in Earth-616
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+2 OPD
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The Spawn ZY done as an Any.
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Re-done for fun
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Reworded DOW for my movie set
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Re-done for market sake.
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my 1st dow try
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beyonder reword
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redone for fun
These are sweeeeet. Yeah, the Morph was just more me and my friends. I appreciate that. I didn't know Morph came from way back! I thought Morph was an Xmen cartoon character first, then an Exiles character.
Is the Avenger's ID card a real card? I'm assuming the only one that isn't already in print is the ZY. If the ID card is a printed card, what set did it come from?
Quote from: thetrooper27 on December 30, 2012, 02:31:15 AM
These are sweeeeet. Yeah, the Morph was just more me and my friends. I appreciate that. I didn't know Morph came from way back! I thought Morph was an Xmen cartoon character first, then an Exiles character.
Is the Avenger's ID card a real card? I'm assuming the only one that isn't already in print is the ZY. If the ID card is a printed card, what set did it come from?
Avenger's ID Card was an accidental insert from Classic Edition... it is my biggest Overpower regret... I actually had that card in my hot little hands before I knew it's rarity. A buddy and I bought a lot on ebaY and we were splitting the cards. I let him have it because it seemed marginally useful at best, and he was a huge Hulk fan... when I found out about it's rarity, I contacted him about his OP cards and found out he had gotten rid of them all :'( :'( :'(
Quote from: thetrooper27 on December 30, 2012, 02:31:15 AM
These are sweeeeet. Yeah, the Morph was just more me and my friends. I appreciate that. I didn't know Morph came from way back! I thought Morph was an Xmen cartoon character first, then an Exiles character.
Is the Avenger's ID card a real card? I'm assuming the only one that isn't already in print is the ZY. If the ID card is a printed card, what set did it come from?
all of these cards have changes except a-next and scarlet saviour.