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Rules => Game Mechanics => Attacking => Topic started by: halcyon1234 on January 10, 2013, 08:01:09 PM

Title: Chained chains
Post by: halcyon1234 on January 10, 2013, 08:01:09 PM
I forget the official ruling on chain of chains.

If I play a FE (each teammate may make 1 attack), and the teammate plays an AA, does the teammate get to make their additional attack(s)-- but I lose all additional attacks from the FE.  In other words:

1) Invisible Woman plays FE
2) Wolverine plays AA
3) Either Wizard plays a Power Card, and Wolverine loses his additional attack OR Wolverine plays a card and Wizard loses his attack

Right?
Title: Re: Chained chains
Post by: BasiliskFang on January 10, 2013, 08:34:44 PM
http://overpower.ca/wiki/Meta_Rule:9

Specials that allow a follow up can be played after another Special that allows a follow up. If a Special allows for teammates to make follow-up attacks, then any follow-up actions allowed by Specials played as a result of that are all lost. If the Special granting a follow up has been played following a non-Special card (like an Ally card) then the follow up attacks are not lost.
Title: Re: Chained chains
Post by: halcyon1234 on January 10, 2013, 11:16:42 PM
So there is a Meta rule that makes the game less fun. Gotcha.  After reading it about 10 times, I believe this translates into: No.
Title: Re: Chained chains
Post by: BasiliskFang on January 10, 2013, 11:21:41 PM
A chain can not lead into a fork.
Title: Re: Chained chains
Post by: steve2275 on January 11, 2013, 02:35:30 AM
been there and asked that
http://www.beenhereandthere.com/SMF/deck-construction/does-anyone-make-decks-with-specific-special-codes-in-mind/msg9890/#msg9890
Title: Re: Chained chains
Post by: BasiliskFang on January 11, 2013, 04:47:03 AM
Can you do
Ally
FE invisible woman
OF - effect (energy replica cap'n)
Wolverine tracking senses
A next
Invisible ram 9s or wounded animal 8+

Venture could be
3,3,6,5,4,9 or 1,3,?,5,4,8+
Types:
Any,I,E,I,S,F

Team of cap'n or professor x, wolverine or longshot, invisible woman or Adam or savage dragon
Title: Re: Chained chains
Post by: steve2275 on January 11, 2013, 09:11:29 AM
not sure about the OF

but no you cant play a next in the middle
you cant play logan or susie twice like that
actually im not sure...sorry
Title: Re: Chained chains
Post by: Jack on January 11, 2013, 09:18:51 AM
The specials that allow for immediate play of cards, like the OB/OF, will be allowed to do those actions, but they will lose any additional attacks that come from it.

If OF was an additional attack, it is unsuccessful and you draw, say, an AA special. You can choose to play that AA but there are no additional attacks from it. Likewise, for OB, if it is successful, and you pick up A-Next, you can use that to attack, but you won't get additionals from it.
Title: Re: Chained chains
Post by: BasiliskFang on January 11, 2013, 03:44:37 PM
Meta rule 9 limits specials, not aspects.
Title: Re: Chained chains
Post by: Jack on January 11, 2013, 05:11:53 PM
Then I retract my statement for now. It doesn't seem too broken to have a chain like that.
Title: Re: Chained chains
Post by: BasiliskFang on January 11, 2013, 06:01:50 PM
it actually may be possible to play Wolverine's AA before the wounded animal.
Quote
If a Special allows for teammates to make follow-up attacks, then any follow-up actions allowed by Specials played as a result of that are all lost.
Not for AA after A-Next.
QuoteIf the Special granting a follow up has been played following a non-Special card (like an Ally card) then the follow up attacks are not lost.
For AA after A-Next. But, how far does the "following" definition reach? Immediately following? Ever following?
Title: Re: Chained chains
Post by: Jack on January 11, 2013, 07:07:02 PM
There's noting stopping a self-chain from continuing forever with additional attacks. The only limitations are with teammate follow ups.
Title: Re: Chained chains
Post by: BasiliskFang on January 11, 2013, 07:11:31 PM
Ally
FE invisible woman
OF - effect (energy replica cap'n)
Wolverine tracking senses
A next
Wolverine AA
wounded animal 8+
can you think of a longer chain? i added AA
Title: Re: Chained chains
Post by: Jack on January 11, 2013, 07:59:15 PM
You're assuming too much about the game with that chain. The OF needs to be blocked, with the OB on the top of the draw pile, then the OB needs to land, hoping your A-Next isn't drawn previously, etc.

Strategy wise, you're better off with a lock down deck. Or using Beyonder as a self-chainer.
Title: Re: Chained chains
Post by: steve2275 on January 12, 2013, 02:44:57 AM
doctor strange fits lockdown(using AV specials right?) and can self chain
(http://overpower.ca/cards/specials/409.png) to (http://overpower.ca/cards/specials/407.png) to (http://overpower.ca/cards/specials/406.png)
Title: Re: Chained chains
Post by: BasiliskFang on January 12, 2013, 03:51:23 AM
Quote from: Jack on January 11, 2013, 07:59:15 PM
You're assuming too much about the game with that chain. The OF needs to be blocked, with the OB on the top of the draw pile, then the OB needs to land, hoping your A-Next isn't drawn previously, etc.

Strategy wise, you're better off with a lock down deck. Or using Beyonder as a self-chainer.
my idea was that the ob followed the fe, not circumstantial to the of.
Title: Re: Chained chains
Post by: halcyon1234 on January 12, 2013, 10:39:11 PM
Is something like Cap's "Energy Replica", or anything else that is conditional, would still be allowed, since the additional attack is not a "follow up", but instead a secondary effect?
Title: Re: Chained chains
Post by: BasiliskFang on January 13, 2013, 03:21:47 AM
That's what I feel, energy replica, tracking senses and a- next aren't bothered by meta rule 9.
Title: Re: Chained chains
Post by: BasiliskFang on July 24, 2014, 05:58:09 AM
So if you do ally, to team coordination, can you get both follow ups? Even though it could be possible to make 4 attacks with 1 person attacking 2 times?


Also, if energy replica pulls a teamwork, what happens?
Title: Re: Chained chains
Post by: steve2275 on July 24, 2014, 08:05:09 AM
Quote from: BasiliskFang on July 24, 2014, 05:58:09 AM
So if you do ally, to team coordination, can you get both follow ups? Even though it could be possible to make 4 attacks with 1 person attacking 2 times?
http://www.beenhereandthere.com/SMF/deck-construction/does-anyone-make-decks-with-specific-special-codes-in-mind/msg9911/#msg9911
http://www.beenhereandthere.com/SMF/deck-construction/does-anyone-make-decks-with-specific-special-codes-in-mind/msg9912/#msg9912
(http://www.memegene.net/media/created/uj559y.jpg)
Title: Re: Chained chains
Post by: BasiliskFang on July 24, 2014, 07:19:32 PM
so if:
Hulk plays ally
Invisible woman plays fe
hulk and thor can have single extra attacks, but they cannot gain extra links (AA) from that would allow it normally.
Title: Re: Chained chains
Post by: steve2275 on July 24, 2014, 09:19:34 PM
Quote from: BasiliskFang on July 24, 2014, 07:19:32 PM
so if:
Hulk plays ally
Invisible woman plays fe
hulk and thor can have single extra attacks, but they cannot gain extra links (AA) from that would allow it normally.
yup
but hopefully theyre big attacks(like power leap and power of asgard) along with the energy or fighting of 5 or less ally card

still its 4 attacks in turn