I'm Sure it's been covered, but not by me.
Going through deck ideas and realized I kept revolving decks around 8 Stat Characters, for one reason or another. Whether it was a Single 8 or a dual 8 team, they were there. So I said who is the best 8 Grid Character and how do I build a team around them.
I am asking all of you the same question and throw down a quick sentence or two why. Or drag it out in a long break down of stats and analysis.. Whatever floats your boat.. Of Course I will start...
So many good ones, so many reasons...
After debating the "Special Cards/Game Changing-Big Boy Cards/Teamwork/Point Cost/Play-abiity in the current Tournament Meta Game factors"
I came up with (under much internal debate) with MR. FANTASTIC
MR FANTASTIC
2528 - 17 Point Total (Great Start)
3 Team Works all one suit (Not his best attribute, but 8 stat equals 3 TW)
Specials
Team Defender 1-9 (To Protect 1st Kill Characters)
Int 7 (Heavy Hit. Could run two, if you really need the offence)
Python Hold (Mini - Big Boy Card, in the days before Penance and Raza)
Draw 3 (One of the Biggest Boy Cards in the current Meta Game and a Game Changer, unreal that it was not originally an OPD)
MARVELS OPD (Originally meant to be for whole team, got nerfed to just himself. Still, a Hand Changer.)
The question is how to create an Intellect Deck that can run with the Big Boys of OP. I Guess you must possess the Intellect, to hone the Blue Head!
Thats my Pick whats yours....
M
OP GOD
check out my deck idea.
http://www.beenhereandthere.com/SMF/deck-construction/illuminated-infinitive/
x-man (great defense and off with specials)
spawn (great non opds, off and def)
inhumans (great opds)
Prof X 8217. That's an 8 AND 7 but at a cost of 18. Take that spawn and H4H! So that's 6 TW if you include the Any power. Unlike brainiac, Prof has sweet specials, more good opd's than Inhumans. Unlike mr. F , Xavier has a straight up AG....and AH. Few get KO'd faster than heroes with teammate avoids but w/o personal AG. And he's readily available...I can't afford X-man. Finally he's on SEVERAL locations. That leaves the others in the dust!... Oh, and he's played by SIR Patrick Stewart!
Neron Donald Pierce Robin Mrfantastic is a favorite deck of mine. Typical card advantage deck. Use a Hell's Kitchen battlesite with it, a very underrated site in my opinion. Used to use red skull instead of robin. could also use black king in there somewhere. Deck has 3 ways to draw 3 or 4, 2 8-stats, a good backup stat in strength, and a negate character. Nerons 6 discard 2 will continue to piss your opponent off. Thoughts?
i like bucket head iron man instead of Robin, he's got some nice offense and defense cards, I like his power card draw one avoid :)
Not the wrong thread. The OP's question was how to create a intellect deck that is competitive.
As for Iron Man, I never really thought of that. That may work well, I never really considered this deck with any The Marvels cards being in it.
Trying to pick the best 8 stat character without considering the options that go with that character is futile.
by my count, there are 50 different characters with an 8 (including 3 and 4 stat versions of characters, and variants)
i'll give my thougths on the different icons (but probably leave out galactus)
brainac: with the 7 in intellect, and 20 points, he looks good at a glance, but comes up lacking. he doesn't have any killer specials, and is more or less outclassed entirely by prof x
dr strange: with the marvels AD, he became THE go to reserve for energy decks. the 6i is nice, and he has some small chain attacks if you want him on front line, but no killer opds. at 19 points, he's sum deck neutral...a great character
dr strange (3grid): same as above, but you can squeeze in an extra 2 points for sum deck, at the cost of losing the 6i...very nice
inhumans: an offensive special juggernaut, the marvels EE gave them some defensive oomph. they are 21 points, but paired with crystal, are sum neutral, and allow you to use the KO event...fantastic character
jean grey/dark phoenix: interesting one. usually not good enough to build a team around. with really only 1 offensive card (the 9), you can use a couple of her AXs, which more or less become AVs. marvels EB and the 6s are nice features as well, but her 21 sum deck holds her back
magneto: at 22 points, you usually only see him on homebase decks. if using asteroid m, you have the eternal question of whether to use 4 stat for the aspect, or 3 stat for the inherent. his 11a makes him a perfect reserve, but you can put him up front as well with the 4m, 6e, and AV...specialist character
magneto (3stat): at 15 points, he's a STUD. a staple in beyonder decks, and great for any time you want to use sum deck points elsewhere
onslaught: solid specials, and a tw machine, but at 23 points, you have to build your deck around him. I don't like his specials THAT much
professor x: the gold standard. 17 points, a backup 7, 4 opds. 2 weaknesses are, no killer opds, and no teamwide defense (excluding the BG)
professor x (3stat): same as magneto, 15 points. don't like to put him in reserve though, and lose the opds. can be worked around with x-men original, reducing versatility
the ray: draw 3, 9m, 18 points...DAMN solid
spawn: the anchor. 21 points, but solid specials, and an AD. no wonder he shows up so often. paired with strange, he's a tournament staple.
x-man: the perfect support character. 17 points, 3 fantastic offensive cards, and the EE.
it's tough to rank them in a vacuum, as previously stated, but my rough tier list would be:
GOLD
dr strange
dr strange 3
spawn
x-man
SILVER
professor x
professor x 3
magneto 3
ray
inhumans
BRONZE
jean grey: dark phoenix
onslaught
magneto
brainiac
thanks. totally swapping my deck. downgrading dr.strange to 3 grid and swapping crystal with inhumans.
also, I realize now I called prof the 'gold standard', then put him in the 'silver' tier...weak. i'll amend to the gold standard for offense!
here's some thoughts on the fighting characters
azrael: 19 points, excels at nothing, no backup tws. has only 2 decent specials, so best place is reserve, with the 10f, but that role is better suited for other characters. poor start
batman/avenger: same as above, but costs 20 points, and has a crappier 'good' special with the 3i...boo DC
bullseye: at 18, he's tied for the cheapest 8f you can get. he has some neat offensive cards, but nothing mindblowing
captain America: finally, someone you can build a team around. nifty offense, decent defense (have to use 2 cards instead of 1, but better than nothing), and you get a 6i to boot.
domino (3grid): 3 mid attack cards is decent, and she's only 18 points
hand: I've always wanted to like this team, but there's not a lot to get excited about. 3e/6a/8a are ok cards. 6i and 19 sum points are nice, but they just don't have anything that grabs you
maverick: his cards are a nice mix of offense/defense, but you need to assure your opponent will be attacking mav. luckily, the GI (event immunity) will make things go that way. the GI finally gives an 8f character a gimmick to build around. can also be paired with team x.
sabretooth: a funny case. 19 points is good. he's got some mixed offense, so he's usable up front, but the AD makes him appealing in the back. none of his cards are tempting enough to include if you put him in reserve, so the AD could be placed. of course, then you'd probably prefer to use silver sable, who has the better avoid. 6s also. solid char
sabretooth (3grid): lose the 6s to gain a point in sum deck. always liked the art on this card though!
wolverine/wolverine AoA: these characters are virtually the same. solid offensive cards, and his marvels is a killer. his best is probably the 5i+aspect. keeps opponent guessing at the end of rounds, and may steal you some concedes
wolverine (3stat): similar to 'tooth. 1 point cheaper, but no real drawback
wonder woman: the 2nd front line defender. shame they split it among 2 cards. her offense is woeful, and the BQ is a cruel joke.
zealot: nifty offense with some pop (the 11). pure AD makes her a target, so if you can keep the attacks off of her, you're laughing
tiers
GOLD
captain America
SILVER
maverick
wonder woman
zealot
sabretooth
sabretooth 3
wolverine/wolverine AoA
wolverine 3
BRONZE
azrael
batman: avenger
bullseye
domino 3
hand
not as much to choose from as the energy crew, but some decent characters in the bunch. the fighting 8s have remarkable sum deck consistency, all being either 18, 19, or 20 points. I see maverick as almost good enough to make the gold tier...it's really close
next up are the strengths
darkseid: typical DC fizzle. 2 specials, both intellect. on the plus side, he can play 5 tws, on the negative, he's 23 points
doomsday: actually, he's not too bad. the GL is a solid opd, and the 6f is a nifty sneak attack. throw in the 6f tw and 19 sum, and he's a decent support character
heroes for hire: here we are. an 8s that can anchor the team. 4 fantastic attack specials, and a 7 fighting stat. all the offense you could ever want.
hulk: I've come around on hulk. 2 good attack opds, and a tricky marvels card make him an attractive support character. you also get a 6i, and he's only 18 sum deck points
hulk (3grid): made obsolete by 4 stat hulk. same sum deck, so unless you REALLY need an extra energy or fighting point, there's not much reason to use him. also, the artwork is hideous
juggernaut: 3 decent attack specials, but he's 19 points. pretty much no reason to use him over hulk
morlocks: these guys are interesting. I've used them a lot with sewer, where they can't last long. they have good offensive cards, good trick cards (leech and tar baby), and the best version of the AL. 19 points, and a 6e to boot. I suspect the key is to pair them with an even better character, so they'll be alive to actually USE those specials
namor/sub mariner: good variety attacks, and good personal defense. decent character who becomes top tier with four freedoms plaza
namor (3grid): only 17 points, and you MUST use him to get a defenders team sum deck legal.
savage dragon: 3 garbage specials, 2 average attacks, and a way below average opd. 19 points...no thanks
thing: was the perfect ffp reserve with the 10s. now he's got stonewall too, so he's great up front as well. a cheap 17 points as well
thing (3stat): same sum deck as 4 grid, but with 1 lower fighting...pretty much obsolete, unless you wanted the 4f for the ffp inherent.
GOLD
heroes for hire
thing (using ffp)
namor: submariner (using ffp)
SILVER
doomsday
hulk
hulk 3
juggernaut
morlocks (maybe could go higher)
namor: submariner
namor 3
thing
thing 3
BRONZE
darkseid
savage dragon
Lookin forward to the intellect 8s. After you do those tell me toasty. Who's your number one 8 character.
M
probably not captain America or heroes for hire, just because they don't really mesh with my play style. and while dr strange fulfills many roles, it's hard to label a reserve character as #1.
so I guess it would come down to mr fantastic, spawn, and x-man. I think my lean would be towards x-man. you can pair him with spawn, inhumans, or prof x, and still have versatility for your other 2 characters.
I've really psyched myself up on morlocks though...hmm. will the tournament you're hosting be allowing proxies?
It will. as in tradition of all Toronto tournaments. Both the Friday and the Saturday event will allow proxies. But more to come on that later and in a different section. I have been enjoying your breakdowns though. Can't wait for intellect. Though I think you just gave away your good standard.
M
yeah, I gave it away, but intellect has some slim pickings anyways!
batman/detective: oddly enough, his best card comes from his inherent (a rarity for 8s, with batman/avenger having another one, but useless). 20 points, but nothing to get excited about
cerebro: his 2 specials are pretty average, so you're going off the grid, which is good, but not great. backup 6e and 20 points
dr doom: again, 20 points, and his specials are pretty much trash as well. some people like the -6 to venture and doombots, but not me
Dracula: 2 low energy attacks are neat. the 7/3 is marginally useful as a kill card. the 6s is nice, but at 22 points, he's pretty unattractive
lex luthor: 2 good offsuit attacks, and art of the deal can be a a beaut. at 18 points, we have our provisional leader!
malebolgia: I actually used him recently in the random character 'tournament'. can't say I'm a fan. I had him in reserve, since he didn't have a single special worth including. he's another teamwork monster, but you can probably find a better place to use his 23 point cost. his inherent will cost you if the game goes to power pack
mr fantastic: our divine topic creator already pointed out his strengths. of weaknesses, there are very few. the tm avoid will make him more of a target, but this can be worked around by making another character a priority. of course, he also has the ffp homebase, where I've never seen him left off the team. he's the man
mr sinister: 3 attack specials covering all 4 icons. his other stuff isn't too hot, and he's 21 points. almost never seen on teams
neron: the 2/8 and '6-discard 2' are fantastic offensive cards. his 2 opds are decent enough, and you could even throw in his '-3 pitch all allys' special if you want. 6s, and 21 points. probably the only character you'd want to team with mr fantastic if building an intellect deck.
shi'ar: 3 good attack cards, and not much else. 20 points, so slightly more attractive than sinister
GOLD
mr fantastic (with or without ffp)
SILVER
neron
lex luthor (barely, I think)
BRONZE
batman: detective
cerebro
dr doom
Dracula
malebolgia
mr sinister (borderline silver)
shi'ar (again, borderline)
an interesting thing as I was looking at the deckbuilder. I think what holds a lot of these characters back, it that a bunch have high offsuit stats, but not high enough for teamworks. no character has a 1 stat. and only two have 2s (fantastic and neron...the best couple of choices).
as a bit of a plug, i'll mention that 5 out of the 7 'bronze' characters will be getting absolute evils cards, so hopefully that makes them more attractive
cerebro: opp reveals hand and discards 2 of cerebro's choice
dr doom: non numerical negate playable from reserve
Dracula: discard 3
mr sinister: no negates until card is negated
shi'ar: same as morph's power mimic
obviously, people will have their own preferances, but I'm curious what other's think. mostly between 'gold' and 'silver'. who should be moved up, and who should be moved down
Would you build an intellect deck without reed?
I have several times. one of my favourites is:
Dracula
scarlet witch
baron mordo
dr strange (reserve)
baron mordo is almost never a target, so you can throw in his special that raises intellect and energy to 8 FROG
if it had to be a tournament deck, it's REALLY hard to justify leaving reed out. I don't tend to value an 8 stat as highly as most, so another one I've had fun with is:
black king
white queen
Donald pierce
hellfire club (reserve)
nice theme, and it lets you use the KO event. this team lacks defense though
cool
Quote from: AO user on June 03, 2014, 07:01:09 PM
That leaves the others in the dust!... Oh, and he's played by SIR Patrick Stewart!
and the last part settles it :)
and no one has said GALACTUS
can play 13 tw (including the 6 any)
can be in reserve without wondering what specials to give him
can use any powercard that the rest of the team can
even at 24 points he still leaves 52 points open
crystal the inhumans jubilee(10 grid)
you get the idea
Quote from: steve2275 on June 26, 2014, 11:39:47 AM
can use any powercard that the rest of the team can
Technically not true, Galactus can not play any intellect power cards.
But i know what you mean.
but technically
(http://overpower.ca/cards/characters/335.png)
thats not a real overpower card. That's a home made card.
technically (http://www.oppowerbalance.net/characters2.jpg) power balance is not your regular home made type of card
Your saying Power Balance is not a homemade set? Lol...
it was not made by marvel, it was created with a high professional touch which would be almost as if they had.
Quote from: drdeath25 on June 27, 2014, 12:52:54 AM
Quote from: steve2275 on June 26, 2014, 11:39:47 AM
can use any powercard that the rest of the team can
Technically not true, Galactus can not play any intellect power cards.
But i know what you mean.
oh you're one of those who doesn't use the marvels.
Your "High Professional Touch" version of Galactus has an AI that says he counts as 27 towards your sum deck total. Your Marvels version says he counts as 24. So which one is it then? Its hard for me to tell, since the Power Balance one is so high quality that it might as well of been made by Marvel, and the Marvels version, which was actually intended to be made by Marvel, was never printed.
If every Homemade set that was made with a "High Professional Touch" was an actual overpower card, I would throw my entire collection in the trash. And if you seriously consider a set that made multi-power-teamworks an official set, you are just disrespecting the game of overpower.
And I'm not saying Marvels cards are bad. When the rules allow it, I play with them too. My argument was that Galactus could not attack with intellect power cards. Which he can't do according the rules of overpower. Your argument is that you made a homemade card that allows him to attack with intellect power cards.
Seriously, you sound like an idiot. Anyone want to continue to tell me that I am wrong about this one? Because I am not.
Galactus counts as 24 with 8888 if you play with "The Marvels". 27 is from "PowerBalance".
You made a wall of text just to say you only play with the official cards, then just say that. you do not need to insult a fan's hard work.
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing that multipower TW are silly but there are sub rules within powerbalance that deem theose cards playable by only a select few.
If you sometimes play with the marvels then you should know within this group of people on this forum they include 8888 Galactus as part of that set.
drdeath25, there's no need to call people idiots because they believe something different from you. you both have valid reasons for whether or not Galactus can play intellect power cards.
It seems to me you are talking about two different games. Dr.Death is talking about Overpower and you guys are talking about Power Balance...
Which is NOT Overpower. But is a home made game heavily influenced by Overpower.
Seems like a silly argument. Under standard Overpower rules Galactus is only a 3 stat character. Playing with the Marvels an almost official Marvel set he can be 4 stat but is still technically a home made card.
Playing with Power Balance Galactus he can be whatever you want him to be because the whole game and system is home made.
p.s
it kills me to agree with Dr.Death on anything. Although I don't agree with the calling other people idiots thing.
I didn't call him an idiot. I said his arguments made him sound like an idiot.
Quote from: rucker73 on June 29, 2014, 12:47:25 AM
It seems to me you are talking about two different games. Dr.Death is talking about Overpower and you guys are talking about Power Balance...
Which is NOT Overpower. But is a home made game heavily influenced by Overpower.
Seems like a silly argument. Under standard Overpower rules Galactus is only a 3 stat character. Playing with the Marvels an almost official Marvel set he can be 4 stat but is still technically a home made card.
Playing with Power Balance Galactus he can be whatever you want him to be because the whole game and system is home made.
p.s
it kills me to agree with Dr.Death on anything. Although I don't agree with the calling other people idiots thing.
the thing is that tussin didn't really say a whole lot besides letting the pictures speak for themselves.
the 3 posts after tussin, death's, mine and your's say a whole lot more.
QuoteI didn't call him an idiot. I said his arguments made him sound like an idiot.
he didn't have an argument, he just showed you 2 different galactus 4 grid cards.