There was a thread asking how do you go about building a team. I usually start with a Hero and build around it... mathematically. If I want Spawn and he's 2 over 19, I have to find a 17 hero (Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, etc) or a couple of 18's to "pay" for him (perhaps Original X-men & Prof X) Then I wanted to find a workable Beyonder Team without cloning someone else's (Mr. Brown's beat me pretty badly.) So let's look at the arithmetic around Beyonder:
Sum Total has a 76 maximum for4 grid heroes (19 + 19 + 19 +19) so
Beyonder (28) which leaves 48:
16 + 16 + 16 or
15 + 16 + 17
If you want an 8 on a 16 rank team (4 x 4 icon Heroes) you're limited to Thing for strength, X-man for energy, Mr. F for intellect. But mathematically YOU CANNOT fit another 8 grid hero on the team AND be a 76 team with Beyonder.
Sum Total is 72 maximum for three 4 grid heroes and one 3 grid hero
(19 + 19 + 19 + 15 = 72) and this opens up MANY possible teams. Here are the numbers. I then 'spitball' possible teammates using Dave Marotta's Team Building table.
http://overpower.ca/archive/www.davidjohnmarotta.com/op/teamgrid.html
There are many permutations even with 8's on more than one hero.
Beyonder (28) + X-Babies(15) + ....
16 (4 grid) + 13 (3 grid) or
17 (4 grid) + 12 (3 grid) or
18 (4 grid) + 11 (3 grid) or
19 (4 grid) + 10 (3 grid)
If you DON'T WANT X-babies you can add to Beyonder the following trios:
• parentheses refer to 3 grid hero
• 18 + 16 + (10)
• 17 + 16 + (11)
* 17 + 17 + (10)
• 16 + 16 + (12)
Sum Total is 67 maximum for two 4 grid heroes and two 3 grid heroes
(19 + 19 + 15 + 14 = 67)
This allows Beyonder & X-Babies to team up with a
14 + 10 or
13 + 11 or (Like Dr Strange & Prof X)
12 + 12
If you DON'T WANT X-babies you can add to Beyonder the following trios:
• parentheses refer to 3 grid hero
* 19 + (10) + (10)
• 18 + (11) + (10) or
• 17 + (12) + (10) or
• 17 + (11) + (11) (like X-man, Magneto & Prof X)
• 16 + (13) + (10) or
• 16 + (12) + (11)
Sum Total is 62 maximum for one 4 grid hero (i.e. Beyonder) and three 3 grid heroes
(19 + (15) + (14) + (14) = 62
This allows Beyonder to team up with three 3 grid heroes:
14 +10 + 10 or
13 + 11 + 10 (Like Namor with his chain specials, Morbius & Doppleganger) or
12 + 11 + 11 or
12 + 12 + 10
Finally 8 rated heroes that will fit one or more of these teams include: Juggernaut, Lex Luthor, Prof X (both), Wolverine (ALL), Doomsday, Bullseye, Dr Strange (both), The Ray, X-man, Azreal, The Hand, Sabretooth, Thing (both but one is better than other), Hulk (both but one is better than other), Maverick, Morlocks, and Mr Fantastic. Wow! Typing this up helped a couple of teams gel. And may it haunt your daydreaming moments in a 'productive' way ;)
BTW the 10 count heroes are Jubilee/energy, Morph/Fighting & Doc Samson (1-2-7) and Hillshire Doppleganger w WGP/ strength.
I love this Thesis...lol.
it's a good read. but, if you are going to build a deck... isnt step one to grab a copy of Hawkeye and than go 3 more from there? ;)
nice post AO
HH or die :) (http://overpower.ca/cards/specials/1424.png)
but yeah... many different styles to play... if you want to abuse and exploit him that is the way i would go and of course, find an original team. (harder to do since beyonder costs so much, would be easier if he was 24 point range)
A fun house rule would "add beyonder to every location card." And yes, quiver of arrow cards are great on beyonder!
here is a quick list of the 3 stat low sum characters for easy reference... sorted Energy --> Fighting --> Strength
JUBILEE 6-3-1 (10)
MORPH 1-6-3 (10)
DOC SAMSON 1-2-7 (10)
DOPPELGANGER 1-3-6 (10)
PROFESSOR X 8-2-1 (11)
MAGNETO 8-1-2 (11)
BLACK WIDOW 2-7-2 (11)
HOBGOBLIN 2-6-3 (11)
MORBIUS 1-3-7 (11)
MYSTIQUE 6-4-2 (12)
HUMAN TORCH 6-3-3 (12)
INVISIBLE WOMAN 6-3-3 (12)
HAWKEYE 1-7-4 (12)
MR. FANTASTIC 3-6-3 (12)
OMEGA RED 2-6-4 (12)
RHINO 1-4-7 (12)
SPIDER-WOMAN 4-2-6 (12)
BEAST 1-5-6 (12)
DR. STRANGE 8-2-3 (13)
MYSTERIO 6-3-4 (13)
BLACK CAT 3-7-3 (13)
CAPTAIN AMERICA 1-7-5 (13)
MOJO 5-6-2 (13)
ELEKTRA 2-6-5 (13)
SILVER SABLE 2-6-5 (13)
NAMOR 1-4-8 (13)
THING 1-4-8 (13)
BLOB 3-3-7 (13)
THOR 4-3-6 (13)
BANSHEE 7-4-3 (14)
CYCLOPS 7-4-3 (14)
JEAN GREY 7-4-3 (14)
STORM 7-4-3 (14)
ICEMAN 7-3-4 (14)
ADAM WARLOCK 7-2-5 (14)
MANDARIN 6-5-3 (14)
APOCALYPSE 6-4-4 (14)
SCARLET WITCH 6-4-4 (14)
DOMINO 3-8-3 (14)
WOLVERINE 2-8-4 (14)
SABRETOOTH 1-8-5 (14)
LONGSHOT 4-7-3 (14)
DAREDEVIL 3-7-4 (14)
DEADPOOL 3-7-4 (14)
DOCTOR OCTOPUS 3-6-5 (14)
HULK 2-4-8 (14)
WAR MACHINE 4-3-7 (14)
JUGGERNAUT 3-4-7 (14)
SHE HULK 2-5-7 (14)
STRONG GUY 4-4-6 (14)