Hi all,
Some early details on Peace Bridge 2015 (3rd annual).
Friday tourney will be a DC only Can/Am tournament. DC3s will be legal. I would like this tourney be counted in the rankings. Thoughts?
Saturday tourney will be a standard deck building tourney. Proxies of Marvels or any official released cards are allowed.
Saturday prize info. There will be a top prize awarded to the highest newbie finisher. If you have not played in the Peace Bridge tourney the last two years you are eligible for a top prize value of $100 or more.
Saturday rule change feedback: at K2 there was discussion to allow Battlesite decks that have DoWs played against them to be able to chain their activator hits against DoW. For example: if your battlesite is locked out by DoW and you have more than 1 activator, you can play all of them at one time. I would like your feedback on allowing this rule change to be play tested at the Peace Bridge tourney. Thoughts?
Thank you and venture well!
Quote from: theorangeking on March 16, 2015, 09:10:57 AM
Hi all,
Some early details on Peace Bridge 2015 (3rd annual).
Friday tourney will be a DC only Can/Am tournament. DC3s will be legal. I would like this tourney be counted in the rankings. Thoughts?
I say absolutely not. Those cards are amusing to play, but they are largely untested and some haven't been thought through. Also, I think we should keep the Friday events fun without the rankings in general.
Quote from: theorangeking on March 16, 2015, 09:10:57 AM
Saturday tourney will be a standard deck building tourney. Proxies of Marvels or any official released cards are allowed.
Saturday prize info. There will be a top prize awarded to the highest newbie finisher. If you have not played in the Peace Bridge tourney the last two years you are eligible for a top prize value of $100 or more.
Saturday rule change feedback: at K2 there was discussion to allow Battlesite decks that have DoWs played against them to be able to chain their activator hits against DoW. For example: if your battlesite is locked out by DoW and you have more than 1 activator, you can play all of them at one time. I would like your feedback on allowing this rule change to be play tested at the Peace Bridge tourney. Thoughts?
I think it's time to start making proper changes to the game, and DoW is a good place to start. Especially since Keith Bursack confirmed many people's suspicions that the card WAS NEVER PLAYTESTED! I like the activator dump idea as it's a minor change that doesn't fundamentally change the intent of the card - but we can reserve the right to adjust it if something better comes up.
Was the question and answer portion recorded as well? i'm hoping yes :D
Yes, Jack got it all.
Quote from: BigBadHarve on March 16, 2015, 09:39:04 AM
I think it's time to start making proper changes to the game, and DoW is a good place to start. Especially since Keith Bursack confirmed many people's suspicions that the card WAS NEVER PLAYTESTED! I like the activator dump idea as it's a minor change that doesn't fundamentally change the intent of the card - but we can reserve the right to adjust it if something better comes up.
On our (long) drive back home yesterday we were talking about DoW and possible rule changes and some ideas that were discussed:
- Allow it to be negated by 2 (or 3) activators when played.
- Allow it to be hit with any amount of activators as it comes into play defensively, reducing the number of activators needed when its played. (This can even be combined with the activator dump idea)
- Only require 3 activators to shut down DoW.
- (idea i thought of now). Allow a person to draw a replacement card (discard duplicates) when hitting DoW with an activator
Some food for thought/discussion.
Take care guys
Quote from: BigBadHarve on March 16, 2015, 09:39:04 AM
I say absolutely not. Those cards are amusing to play, but they are largely untested and some haven't been thought through. Also, I think we should keep the Friday events fun without the rankings in general.
Having just finished making a set, I want to know what I would have to provide to the "group" for proper testing. I want my set to be used and have no problem backing it if there is a possibilty that everyone can use it. I'm not saying that i'll give out loads of free sets but i think it's something to discuss. For my set, i'm ok with the card effects changing but not the art...
Can someone that has one of my sets chime in on how and if this would affect them? I would say that all 1st printings would be erretad.
I would recommend releasing untested sets as images before any printing. The Marvels were play tested with printed paper for many revisions.
It's not a matter of the environmental impact of the waste of paper from the sets, more concerned that people will confuse pre-tested releases to official releases when the sets are finalized.
Quote from: Skeletaur on March 16, 2015, 10:43:53 AM
On our (long) drive back home yesterday we were talking about DoW and possible rule changes and some ideas that were discussed:
- Allow it to be negated by 2 (or 3) activators when played.
- Allow it to be hit with any amount of activators as it comes into play defensively, reducing the number of activators needed when its played. (This can even be combined with the activator dump idea)
- Only require 3 activators to shut down DoW.
- (idea i thought of now). Allow a person to draw a replacement card (discard duplicates) when hitting DoW with an activator
Some food for thought/discussion.
Take care guys
Going from 4 to 3 is still the same impact, you're essentially playing passive during your 3 activator turns while your opponent dishes out attacks.
I like the idea about attacking it as a defensive action -- but still not reducing the number of activators needed.
Replacing cards is an interesting one, I would say it merits some playing testing.
ok,that's fine but there's still the question of the who and how many? Also, how long the process would take.
Quote from: chuu on March 16, 2015, 01:41:43 PM
ok,that's fine but there's still the question of the who and how many? Also, how long the process would take.
I don't see why it needs to be restricted to a subset of people. You should target people who have regular meetups -- our April one is probably a good bet. Alas it would be nice to include them into OPO but that's beyond my scope.
How long? That's a tough one, if you expect concept->release in a calendar year, that's way too short depending on the size of the set.
Another idea for releasing images of the set would be to make them grayscale, watermark them, leave out the actual image, etc. Playing testing doesn't need to be something fancy since we're only dealing with the card text.
Wow...that sounds like it's going to take a long time...lol
I was hoping it would just be taking all the cards that I had created and determining whether they are overpowered or not, then making some changes to the ones deemed too powerful. This, that you are proposing Jack is building the set from the ground up. I understand that I built the set myself but I used current characters (Star Jammers, X-man, Spawn, Reavers etc...) to balance my characters. I also followed the unwritten rules like, characters with a 7 and a 6 stat in their grid or higher can't have an inherent. Also, characters with two 7s or an 8 in their grids can't have negates and so forth...
It doesn't have to be from the ground up, your set is what you make of it.
You sound like a life coach...lol
Quote from: Jack on March 16, 2015, 03:19:20 PM
It doesn't have to be from the ground up, your set is what you make of it.
lmao...dow never tested. classic
Quote from: breadmaster on March 16, 2015, 04:39:42 PM
lmao...dow never tested. classic
No, not Classic... X-men! :P
DOW issue, i like the idea of chain of activators played all at once. as many that are in your hand but keep the number to remove at four. as far as playing activators as a defensive response still keep the number to remove DOW at four, but make DOW immune to KL cards like cpt Britain's battleworthy, or little iceman.
Quote from: mr brown on March 16, 2015, 08:07:52 PM
but make DOW immune to KL cards like cpt Britain's battleworthy, or little iceman.
Why would you want to make it harder for decks to remove DoW? Is there a reason why you think it is bad that decks can get rid of DoW without using 4 activators?
my thought is if DoW is the largest playing card in value and effect that watering it down too much would devalue the card. the 4 activator chain is a great idea. but if the activators were allowed to be played defensively it would tilt scale too far to one side. never liked that little ice man could remove Galactus eating a planet.
I think playing your activators defensively in response to DoW being played is a step too far. As is making it immune to KL cards.
Simplicity is the key here, we want to avoid writing a whole set of rules and counter-rules to govern a single card. That's what happened with the game as it progressed, which made it unwieldy. A single adjustment is worth testing.
What we really need is everyone to play with that rule, and report back what you've found. Some of us tried it briefly a few years ago, and it seemed to work well enough from what we saw... but the sampling was definitely on the low side.
Quote from: BigBadHarve on March 17, 2015, 08:44:19 AM
I think playing your activators defensively in response to DoW being played is a step too far. As is making it immune to KL cards.
Simplicity is the key here, we want to avoid writing a whole set of rules and counter-rules to govern a single card. That's what happened with the game as it progressed, which made it unwieldy. A single adjustment is worth testing.
What we really need is everyone to play with that rule, and report back what you've found. Some of us tried it briefly a few years ago, and it seemed to work well enough from what we saw... but the sampling was definitely on the low side.
I just feel that the way people are saying at the tourney that DoW made Battlesites unusable implies a significant change would need to be done to bring it in line. Allowing you to chain activators doesn't help you in card advantage or the fact that you lose 4 of your activators. If you end up drawing only 1 activator a turn, there would be no change to how DoW currently works.
Just some thoughts from a guy that doesn't mind DoW that much actually..
Edit:
I guess the 3 main negatives to DoW are:
1- Losing card advantage between 1 and 4 turns
2- Losing 4 specials from the activators
3- Losing 4 turns to attack
Which are the ones that are causing the biggest headache?
Quote from: Skeletaur on March 17, 2015, 09:23:05 AM
I guess the 3 main negatives to DoW are:
1- Losing card advantage between 1 and 4 turns
2- Losing 4 specials from the activators
3- Losing 4 turns to attack
Which are the ones that are causing the biggest headache?
My opinion: The loss of 4 turns is the biggest headache. Drawing one activator for four battles really isn't that bad. You can treat such a hand as a hand of seven (analogous to drawing one duplicate) and just treat DoW as a discard one card (for four battles). The really killer is that if you want to get rid of DoW you have to waste one attack for four battles to get rid of it. So now DoW acts as a discard 1 and a skip one attack. Such an effect is pretty strong. Furthermore, DoW gets stronger the more activators you have. If you are on the other side of the spectrum where you have four activators in hand, then DoW acts as a discard four (i.e., power leech) and as a skip your next four attacks. As a power leech-like effect, DoW is already very strong. Forcing your opponent to skip multiple turns makes it too strong in my opinion (in fact, there does not exist any card in Overpower that has this kind of team-level effect).
I've done some testing with allowing chains of activators. That didn't completely solve the problem of skipping attacks (particularly for the case where you draw one activator for four battles), but it did make it more fair (which is not very fair given DoW acts like a power leech that cannot be negated).
I have also tried the variant where DoW acts as an immediate discard for all activators and then "triggers" just after venturing each battle until the opponent has discarded 4 activators cards. The advantage of this was that your opponent never lost a turn, they just got mini-power leeched each battle until they discarded 4 total cards. This does change the functionality of the card a bit, but I found it to be much more fair than any alternative where the opponent lost turns. (Note that I initially tried having the "trigger" occur before venturing. However, that ended up being too strong as well since it gave the player who played DoW a lot of information about their opponent's hand, and allowed them to venture really big after playing DoW. )
Here's the main thing to consider with DoW - while on paper it seems like you're only losing 4 activators, you are in practicality losing far more.
Most people don't immediately start working it down. Say I'm hit while holding two activators. But if I have no other defense, I'm likely going to concede rather than lose my team to your unfettered attacks. So that's two activators lost.
Next battle, say I draw 2 activators, but the rest of my hand isn't terrible. I start hitting DoW while fending off your assault. 2 on DoW now, but 4 activators lost now.
Next battle I draw 1. I hit DoW. 3 on DoW, 5 activators lost.
Next battle I draw 3. Opponent concedes before battle. While a victory, with DoW in play I can't necessarily risk a high venture to catch up and keep my opponent in the battle to finish the job. That's now essentially 8 activators lost now to DoW, and it's STILL in play.
This is all a hypothetical situation, of course, but one that is entirely possible, and familiar to anyone who's been DoW'd. And we're just talking activator loss here, not all other factors involved - Opponent's ability to venture more aggressively, loss of characters due to lack of defense, inability to properly attack due to reduced cards.
That's the reality of why it's an unbalanced card. This multiple activator dump rule will keep the true activator loss down to about 4, which is not as devastating - though still VERY strong.
I have often sat on the side of defending the DoW, because there are some limitations.... but at this point I've seen too many games simply ended because DoW came out and was the primary reason for victory. And being on the receiving end is simply not fun. It sucks too much of the enjoyment out of the game.
How about just extending the text. "Dow may not be negate - by an activator." Thus not allowing you battle site access, but allowing a kl or ao get rid of it.
M
D o W is fine as is
i deal with it
maybe you guys should too :)
and that what i think
carry on
I know some people are concerned with making rule or card text changes, so how about keeping it simple and making 1 or 2 new Homebase cards to go along with "Toronto".
"State College" IA: State College's team may attack DOW with multiple Activators per turn.
or maybe
"Buffalo" IA: Buffalo's team may keep duplicate Activators if DOW is in play during the discard phase.
Something like that wouldn't necessitate a rule change or text change. And it can be the tournament director's decision as to whether they are legal, as with Marvels and the Toronto cards.
The Battlesite team would also lose the +1 venture from Marvel Universe, which also adds to the balance a bit.
Toronto and Team Toronto were unanimously allowed because they replicated the effect of current cards.
a great time to play test new cards or any tweaks or changes to rules is at a open tournament with players from many areas around north America. the Friday DC3 counting for point should increase participation.
I thought it was important to say that Nick Williams posted the following in a different thread.
"2. Playtested X-men - The expansion was sent to us basically complete. We made some recommendations here and there, most if not all made it in."
Of course this would include DoW. Keith may not have known about this when saying DoW was not tested.
Quote from: BlueFire on March 18, 2015, 06:10:23 PM
I thought it was important to say that Nick Williams posted the following in a different thread.
"2. Playtested X-men - The expansion was sent to us basically complete. We made some recommendations here and there, most if not all made it in."
Of course this would include DoW. Keith may not have known about this when saying DoW was not tested.
I still have my doubts. This is, after all, the same group that 'playtested' Four Freedoms Plaza and Vertigo.
In any case, the result is undeniable - a card that needs adjustment.
I have played with the dumping activator rule. It does definitely help in making a battle site worthwhile. When Dow is in play it results in more than losing than 4 cards. With the home base of placing any heroes it was already a huge advantage without adding Dow. Dumping activators on dow is a step in the right direction. Battlesites allow soooo many more decks that are playable but with the current rule no one will play them and be competitive.
preach, brother!
Quote from: Carlos7195 on March 25, 2015, 11:31:25 PM
I have played with the dumping activator rule. It does definitely help in making a battle site worthwhile. When Dow is in play it results in more than losing than 4 cards. With the home base of placing any heroes it was already a huge advantage without adding Dow. Dumping activators on dow is a step in the right direction. Battlesites allow soooo many more decks that are playable but with the current rule no one will play them and be competitive.
i would like to have everyone going to Peace Bridge tourny in May to try out the activator chain vs DOW in their groups. by which i mean, DOW is played, owner of battlesite on their offensive turn may play as many activators as an attack against DOW (if no events prevent attacking DOW) they have in hand. and try the chain proposal out at Peacebridge on Saturday. then each player votes on as a rule going forward.
Ok I have sat idle for a bit.
I have listened to the debate and I cannot stress enough how play testing in a rated tournament is not a good idea. Especially since we have started our season already. I am not saying it shouldn't be changed or play tested in a tournament idea. I am just saying let's slow down a bit and maybe we can bring decks and test collectively and discuss at Buffalo . However, I think just jamming a new rule in and running with it is bad news bears.
Not sure if the rule change would effect the tournament from being rated.
I personally am starting to look into battle sites myself, it's not over yet. Plus with all the talk of people not putting DOW in their decks, because of all the anyhero decks, it might solve itself. Lol
M
OP GOD
Update on the Peace Bridge tourney.
1. DC3 tourney - only DC, JLA, or DC3 cards can be used. This is a Can/Am tourney as well. The series is tied 1 and 1. Note: this year you do NOT have to follow the H/V codes. Hopefully, this opens it up to a bigger variety of decks. Game winners will receive an unopened DC pack each round.
2. Saturday tourney - the question on chaining activators did not result in a consensus. It was suggested that on Saturday the tourney players vote on it before it starts to allow chaining or keep it the same.
Prize pool: Some nice prizes including a new Peace Bridge trophy for the winner. The top 8 will get to draw out of the prize pool. The highest placing new player in Buffalo will receive a very nice first timer prize. Other items include autographed OP cards, unopened boxes and packs, etc.
Let me know if you have any questions.
Note: I will be traveling in from my new home in PA for the tourney. I will have the store available.
Less that 2 weeks! Some questions
1. DC3 Nightwing has IA. He can play non opd ROBIN cards. Q: can he have Robin cards if Robin is NOT on team? Can Crystal be on a team WITHOUT Inhumans ?
2 DS specials: can they be used by beta Ray bill or Crystal? Or beyonder?
3. Color proxies/ Chuu proxies permitted?
See y'all soon! -AO
yes, it would be nice if my Power Card and Teamwork sets were permitted :) I believe color proxies of marvels and officially released cards are permitted :)
Good news.
I am definitely in the 'chain activator' camp for DoW! I think everyone should practice with that rule and get used to it, vote yes. Change needs to occur for this game and this is a good place to start.
Quote from: AO user on May 03, 2015, 04:08:15 PM
Less that 2 weeks! Some questions
1. DC3 Nightwing has IA. He can play non opd ROBIN cards. Q: can he have Robin cards if Robin is NOT on team? Can Crystal be on a team WITHOUT Inhumans ?
2 DS specials: can they be used by beta Ray bill or Crystal? Or beyonder?
3. Color proxies/ Chuu proxies permitted?
See y'all soon! -AO
1. Yes, Nightwing can add Robin's non-OPDs to the deck. Yes, Crystal can appear on the team without Inhumans.
2. DS specials - there's ambiguity there - but my personal ruling would be that yes - DS cards played by Crystal or Beta Ray can be used to grab their cards.
Even though I won't be participating in this years Peace Bridge Tournament, I still support the chaning activators rule, especially since, I believe, it was revealed that DoW wasn't play tested.
I support the chaining activators rule... its still brutal, yo.
Hi Guys,
What time is the registration for this tournament start? I'm pretty sure I'll going on the Saturday since my passport came. I just have to get my car looked at before making the drive.
Are my Babe Power cards and Teamworks legal? :D
I'll have some Babe Expansion and Babe Power card sets for sale with me on Saturday. :D
Larry says 9AM on Saturday for registration.
Registration starts at 3PM on Friday, tournament starts at 6PM or so.
so 9 am registration and the tournament starts at 10 am i'm guessing?
Yes, I think we're following the time schedule from last year.
I asked Larry about my comic Babe Power cards and Team Work cards and they are not usable at the Peace Bridge tournament.
I think i'm the only one that's surprised by this..
is it a similar format as the last one? that is, timed rounds in the prelims, but games to completion in elimination rounds?
edit: also, what is the entry fee?
LAST YEAR. Friday was free. Saturday was $25. and was held at
Seneca Gospel Mission
462 Elk St.
Buffalo, NY
Have a great time everyone!
it's a shame you can't make it...even i'm going and i'm anti-travel...lol
Sadly my friends. I am unfortunately held up and will not attend the peace bridge tourney.
I wish all the players luck and look forward to watching this leg of the circuit on camera.
I am making a prediction that Sean will take it home.
Go BBH!
I hope to see you all at the next overpower tournament.
M
OP GOD
On my way. GPS has me getting in at 945. Hope i make it in time
this sure snuk up on you guys didnt it
Quote from: chuu on May 15, 2015, 01:16:03 PM
it's a shame you can't make it...even i'm going and i'm anti-travel...lol
Yeah, I'm house sitting this weekend. I aspire to attend every October Toronto tournament for the foreseeable future, though. I've been working on deck builds since last October.
The word on the street is Pat Baez is living the dream in Buffalo.
Congratulations Pat!
Ratings as of May 16th 2015
- Marcel Lojet - 1823
- Phil Keffer - 1811
- Garion Sutton - 1774
- Andy Emond - 1702
- Patricio Baez - 1668
- Danny McGlynn - 1667
- Phil Miller - 1648
- Ray Reynolds - 1647
- Josh Alexander - 1639
- Doug Simms - 1637
- Larry Van Etten - 1636
- David Limberger - 1634
- Nick Spivak - 1627
- D'Arcy McGlynn - 1618
- Clint Martin - 1613
- Spencer Sutton - 1611
- Jonathan Lewis - 1607
- Keith Bursack - 1606
- Sean Ballantyne - 1601
- Jason Van Etten - 1598
- Myles Head - 1587
- Josiah Simms - 1574
- Mark Bryson - 1569
- Matt Glover - 1567
- Matt Taylor - 1565
- Martin Slinkosky - 1553
- Chris Vezina - 1553
- David Hodkin - 1552
- Jack Truong - 1550
- Henry Truong - 1549
- Ed Kowalewski - 1548
- John Keffer - 1547
- David McMillan - 1546
- Carl Caroffino - 1538
- Cory Simms - 1528
- Patrick O'Neill - 1509
- Michael Sutton - 1503
- Bret Reed - 1449
- John Zachritz - 1446
Thanks Jack!
Hi Guys,
Somehow I was able to win the tournament, I feel I was really lucky with my pairings which you can read in my recap below. I'm not much of a writer so it's not that fun to read and it took a while to write LOL
7 Rounds of Swiss
Carl Caroffino – it was a good match against Carl, he was playing Muir island with Prof X, Captain Britian, Shadow Cat and Banshee in reserve. I scraped out a win and thought that this match would set the pace for the rest of the tournament for me, boy was I wrong. WIN
Larry Van Etten – Larry was running Four Freedoms (as usual ;)) Namor: Sub-Mariner, Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman and Thing in reserve. My deck was very sluggish in this game. Larry was winning venture in the 4th or 5th round and Ventured for the win. I let two characters die just to try to make it to the next hand. The venture was tied at 19 so I thought I had made it to the next hand until Larry reminded me of Invisible Woman's Inherent. LOSS
Sean Ballantyne – Sean was playing his Colossus, Dazzer, Hulk and Galactus deck. This match wasn't very long, Sean's deck crapped out on him, The no specials event hurt him as he couldn't defend all my teamworks. WIN
Phil Miller – Phil was using Beyonder, Mojo, 3 Grid Prof X and X-Man in reserve. I thought my no energy icons event would hurt him but by then my deck was behind in Venture and it didn't phase him. His reputation does not lie regarding his skill. LOSS
Jonathan Lewis – Jonathan was using an intellect team with two characters that rarely seen in tournament, Red Skull and Mr. Sinister, I think this made me underestimate the team. They were backed up by Dark Beast and Mr. Fantastic in reserve. In this game I bet too aggressively in the first round since Jonathan had two discards. I didn't think about defense and Jonathan was able to kill Beast:Brute using Red Skulls Dust of Death and I lost the 2 cards in my hand that gave me the advantage. Next turn I had a slew of Beast unusables which set me back again. I couldn't dig myself out of the hole I had made for myself in the first round. I went to lose in the 5th or 6th round. LOSS
Cory Simms – Cory was using Heroes For Hire, Beast: Brute, Daredevil and Silver Sable in the reserve. This was a team I considered using myself. Cory had me on the ropes for pretty much the whole game. I think if he had bet more aggressively he would have won the game before we got to the power pack. I had power leech placed on Team Overpower and was able to venture 6 and hit him with leech. Venturing 6 didn't even win me the game, it was 5 from reserve and 1 from completed. Next turn I was able to venture my last mission and win the game. WIN
Andy Emond – I went into this game thinking that I was going to lose, in about 10 games I've had with Andy over the years I think I had only beaten him once before. He was running X-man, Reavers, Phoenix and Donald Pierce in Reserve. The first turn didn't start very well. My hand was 7 power cards (one dupe) and a Captain America avoid. Andy had some team works he couldn't use so I was able to use my power cards to make use all his best defensive specials in the first hand (illusionary Reality, Beast acrobatics as an activator and Gambit Charm as an activator) He locked me out in the first round, I think if he had ventured 7 for the win that would have been the game, but he was probably afraid of my Beast negate. I ended up conceding since I couldn't attack him anymore. In the second he got the Crossing's KO event, my hand was 2 beast negates, Stars and garters and his 4S attack. I was frustrated so I decided to cut my losses and KO beast since that was most of his cards anyways. I placed everything and conceded. I'm surprised Andy didn't venture more than two missions. In the third turn I got DoW and it allowed me to slowly claw myself back. We eventually got to the power pack and I think I was able to win because X-Man and Donald Pierce don't have Grids that don't mesh well so I was able to hit them with small hits that needed to be blocked with higher cards, i.e. 2S on X-man had to be blocked with 5E. In the last turn my hand was 1,3,4,5,6,7,8 while his hand was 1,2,3,4,5,7. I was able to squeak out the win against Andy who was in 2nd place at the time. My tie breakers were Larry, Jonathan and Phil who were all doing pretty well in the tournament. This put me in fourth at the end of the 7 rounds of swiss, I was VERY surprised. WIN
Semi-Finals
Jack Truong – Jack was running a fighting deck which gave me some relief since I was going to be able to use Sabretooth's teammate avoid for sure! His team consisted of The Hand, Star Jammers, Reavers and Hawkeye in reserve. Earlier on Jack had led it slip that the Hand had the most cards in the deck and I was able to kill them off in the second round, after that he had a slew of discards going forward in the game. Jack was also very tired in our match, he could barely keep his eyes open which led to him making mistakes that were in my favour. I KO'd Starjammers next and then moved on to the Reavers. I eventually beat him in power pack. WIN
Larry Van Etten – I was worried going into this match since Larry had already beaten me quite swiftly in round 2. I took what I learned from our previous match and used that as my strategy. I noticed that he had many Namor specials in the deck so I decided to go after him first. Namor was taken out by a 6S Team work that ended up giving +2 to my Cap's 8 fighting power card if I recall correctly. After that I worked on his Mr. Fantastic leaving him with Invisible Woman and Thing. It was a close game but in the end I was able to get my revenge on Larry. WIN
Final
Jonathan Lewis – I can't say that I wasn't a little surprised that I was going to face Jonathan in the match for 1st. There were two reason for this, first, after the 7 rounds of swiss I had just luckily made it through. My loss earlier against Larry had given me the information I needed to beat him in the semis and I have played Jack many times so I had enough practice. It also helped that both Larry and Jack were organizers and were very tired. Secondly, I had never heard of Jonathan Lewis before, I watch pretty much the tournament videos and I didn't remember him being on camera. I just checked the standings and after 2K he was 25th, so he really stepped up his game to get to the finals :) This game played out better than the first, I knew that my worst enemies on his team were Red Skull and Mr. Sinister so I took out Mr. Sinister in the second round with a big Team work. Mr. Fantastic came out and I worked on him next. I ventured very conservatively in this game as my last game against Jonathan didn't go well because I ventured too aggressively. I was able to hit and run until power pack and then Red Skull was left for last and couldn't hold out against Captain America :) WIN
Larry, thank you very much for holding the tournament!! Also shout out to Jack for all his support of Overpower Tournaments and the community!!
Last thing...SABRETOOTH IS THE NEW DR. STRANGE!!
(http://i.imgur.com/MKpF6bb.jpg)
The best saves he made during the tournament:
(http://i.imgur.com/cTpn9hU.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/8o3YyjT.jpg)
Congrats on the win Chuu!
Sounds like it was a great tournament.
Here are some pictures of the tournament that I took during my off time. Jack you can post these up on the Overpower Facebook page if you want...i'm not really sure how to do that...lol.
Here is Jack Vs. Jonathan in the front and Carl Vs. Josiah in the back
(http://i.imgur.com/ipvXyIE.jpg)
Larry Vs. Andy
(http://i.imgur.com/nDwkn4g.jpg)
John Z Vs. Pat O'Neil
(http://i.imgur.com/9WORb4n.jpg)
Jack Vs. Andy and John Z Vs. Carl
(http://i.imgur.com/TTAF6MJ.jpg)
Jack Vs. Larry
(http://i.imgur.com/P1D2MSK.jpg)
Andy Vs. Ed
(http://i.imgur.com/6SVEr9P.jpg)
Mike Sutton, Looking like a Silver Fox...
(http://i.imgur.com/qirdrkC.jpg)
Andy's Danger Room got Blown up...he had to play Acrobatics on it...
(http://i.imgur.com/ZiCegIZ.jpg)
Larry's Prize table
(http://i.imgur.com/NhsOUa3.jpg)
No Lie, I collect comic art so I would have just been happy getting this:
(http://i.imgur.com/hrEby7u.jpg)
Larry's Glass case, It's just for Show, 90% of the contents are not for sale :)
(http://i.imgur.com/WWuV0r6.jpg)
Group Shot
(http://i.imgur.com/VQ6laId.jpg)
good for yuu chuu
but ill keep my sabertooth up front kicking ass
Grats Chuu!
Good Job Pat!
some things I was happy to see:
-unanimous voting to weaken dow, despite the vast majority using anys
-tons of variation in reserve characters...a few dr strange's, but mostly different characters back there
-use of muir island homebase. I think that brings our total in tournaments up to 5 (ffp, cape citadel, avengers mansion, x-world, muir island) any I'm forgetting?
What was the general consesus surronding the DoW change? I playtested it as such, and it makes the card much more balanced, while remaining a threat. I personally like the change.
make it at least 6 homebases...I forgot my own use of asteroid m in my first tournament
the mass dump on dow is better, but i'm still not a fan of the card
I played 8 matches against anys, going 5-3. twice I got deathstrike (GL) off before dow (against larry both times), and won both of those matches. so 3-3 when devourer was played. the losses came the usual way (overwhelmed with hits getting out 4 activators), and the wins came in a similar fashion. it so happens that the team was built with all characters having access to block off cards (BJ or CW), so I was able to sneak out some cheap-o wins by betting big with a block off even though I was down to my last character vs several of the opponent's
i'll have to check the video of the semi against ed, but I got exchanged very few activators for specials. while dow was out, he was also attacking the site. I finally got 4 activators on it, but his last attack couldn't be stopped by my beast activator. I think I had half a dozen more discard activators throughout the game
so my thoughts are...the mass dump is more balanced, but dow is still a wretchedly un-fun card to play against
as I was looking back, another neat factoid from this tournament:
the final 4 teams all a mained a different icon
energy: xman/phoenix/reavers/pierce
fighting: cap/daredevil/brute/sabretooth
strength: namor/fantastic/invisible woman/thing
intellect: sinister/skull/dark beast/fantastic
also, 14/16 unique characters!
ya, it was a varied tournament, I made my team to compete against Energy decks and didn't encounter as many as i thought i would.
Does anyone know if the videos from this were ever posted? I would love to learn from my mistakes before Toronto ;-)
Nope, thanks to chuu, I deleted them. ;)
I'm just crazy busy with a lot of things, they'll be done, just no definite timeline.
lol
Thanks Jack. Don't worry about getting to them anytime soon; I was just wondering if I had missed them.
LOL, I don't know what I did to make you delete them...I was just wondering where they were...lol
The venue will probably be at Dueling Grounds again this year. Unfortunately, our plans at Metro Hall and City Hall were vanquished because they won't allow us to be there after 6PM on either day.
this works for me just fine, but skeletaur is going to be pissed...lol. There aren't any good hotels in that area either.
Location is confirmed to be at Dueling Grounds in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. 1193 Bloor Street West, west of Dufferin Street.
Parking is available at the mall or on the side streets. There is absolutely no food allowed in the store but drinks are allowed.
The expected start time is 11AM for registration and probably 11:30 or so will be Round 1. We will keep everyone up to date to see if we can push this to 10AM.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLa4yIhKxDMwsD27xr-n1vlnMBVXmMlloP
wow, there goes my weekend, got lots of videos to watch :)
EDIT:
i can't believe how many dumb ass mistakes I made that last game. Picked up a card from the deadpile to replace an event card (quickly noticed by both), drew a card before the card's effect was determined and had to reshuffle. I stood Stars and Garters up on the box keep me from forgetting about it and I still forgot about it. Jonathan was a very good sport about it :) I was up at 5 a.m. to make it in time for the tournament and I guess he was tired as well since he tried to hit me with one of my own hits..lol.