This hasn't really been publicized much except to a few people but I have set up an OverPower wiki (http://overpower.ca/wiki) and I think this is how the current Pages section of the website should work.
I have worked up an example with AA special codes (thanks to zippa_head for helping with typing out all the text from the tournament guide) as seen here:
http://overpower.ca/wiki/AA
Now the question is, will you guys be willing to contribute to the wiki? Aside from the type of work that zippa_head has been helping me with (which, I will disclose, he has been given cards as "payment") there will not be any benefit except a stronger community and contributing to the best site for OverPower information.
cool
Count me in with assisting with the Wiki. Many new people will be bringing their attention to wikipedia, if we can catch their attention to overpower, and get it high on the search list, it can bring in some new people.
Dan
I'm not sure how I can help, but if many hands make lighter work, I would be willing to contribute.
My chief concern is that I don't know if I'm expert enough on the rules to generate original content that is helpful/accurate.
The initial population of the Wiki involves copying and pasting.
I need someone to make all the special code pages, so AA to ZZ (with a lot of them empty after the O's). It would be copying and pasting from a file that zippa_head has created, adding the Infobox with a sample image, the offensive/defensive/duration stuff and any errata.
Cool. Seems like assigning a group (e.g., BA-BZ) and knocking it out would be a good start. I'd be willing to take on something like that.
Here's the file to use: http://overpower.ca/uploads/specials.docx
You'll need to register for an account on the site: https://overpower.ca/register.php
Access to the wiki is http://overpower.ca/wiki/ . You have to log in again because they have two different systems but use the same password.
It should be mostly a copy and paste job for the most part.
Instructions:
Using this template
{{Infobox
|title = <Special Code>
|image = <link to image>
|caption = '''<Character's Name Special's Name>'''
|label1 = Offensive
|data1 = <Yes/No>
|label2 = Defensive
|data2 = <Yes/No>
|label3 = Duration
|data3 = <Battle/Game/Instant/Unknown>
}}
<copy and paste from the document>
[[Category:Special cards]]
I'll give a Marvel vs Wildstorm hero for each ~75 codes pasted (or 3 letters with ~25 each).
The Offensive/Defensive/Duration information can be poked at here: http://overpower.ca/pages/meta.php
Images can be poked at: http://overpower.ca/tools/quickspecials.php
Just pick one and try to be as random as you can with it, don't always pick the same character or expansion set, be creative. For some specials there might be two completely different ways to play the card, just choose one and I'll worry about the others.
Here's an example with AB cards:
{{Infobox
|title = AB
|image = http://overpower.ca/cards/specials/1179.png
|caption = '''Scarlet's Spider's New Warrior'''
|label1 = Offensive
|data1 = Yes
|label2 = Defensive
|data2 = No
|label3 = Duration
|data3 = Instant
}}
These card function the same as an [[AA|AA Special]] in every way except that they specify what type of Power type the second attack must be. The additional attack cannot be a [[Teamwork card]], [[Ally card]], [[Tactic card]], [[Activator card]], or an ‘[[Any Character]]’ Special.
[[Category:Special cards]]
State which ones are "yours" so other people won't edit over your work.
Some wiki formatting tips:
Three single quotes are to make things bold, I'm only needing it for the special's name in the Infobox. If you want to really make my life easier, add the sublinks to other pages (say for AC, wrap [[ and ]] around it).
I've edited at Wikipedia before, but it's been a while. Once I do one I'll let you know and have you check my work before I create multiple pages with errors.
edit:
http://overpower.ca/wiki/BA
thru BJ
Excellent work so far.
Good to know. I will knock a few more out in the B series later today/tonight
Sounds good!
If you felt guilty about using the services on the site and wanted to help out, here's your chance!
You can help out with the wiki, even if it's just plain text explaining what Ally cards are or if you want to help clarify any of the meta rules, just PM me the block of text and I'll add it in for you. Think of it as a complete encyclopedia of OverPower.
EDIT:
Added a mobile skin.
Have you thought about what the template will look like for character pages?
I've been looking for a way to easily identify which locationsa character is listed on. Listing them on a character's wiki page would certainly be a valuable item.
Listing their available specials would be probably worthwhile too, with links back to the coded special page.
Perhaps some suggested team combinations (though that could get lengthy and really subjective).
Quote from: mattkoz on March 16, 2012, 11:50:07 AM
Have you thought about what the template will look like for character pages?
I've been looking for a way to easily identify which locationsa character is listed on. Listing them on a character's wiki page would certainly be a valuable item.
Listing their available specials would be probably worthwhile too, with links back to the coded special page.
Perhaps some suggested team combinations (though that could get lengthy and really subjective).
I like the idea of trying to indentify which locations the characters are listed on - that could be a huge time saver for deck builds.
Quote from: mattkoz on March 16, 2012, 11:50:07 AM
Have you thought about what the template will look like for character pages?
I've been looking for a way to easily identify which locationsa character is listed on. Listing them on a character's wiki page would certainly be a valuable item.
Listing their available specials would be probably worthwhile too, with links back to the coded special page.
Perhaps some suggested team combinations (though that could get lengthy and really subjective).
I'm still undecided on the character pages.
I don't want to have all the cards on the wiki, that would just be a huge mess. I want to save it for the website as the searching capabilities of the database far exceed anything that the Wiki can do. I'll be starting work on the "OpDeck" portion of the site very soon so I'll keep that in mind when building it.
I've added Beyonder because I thought it would be useful to have information about him because he's such a unique case. There are other characters out there, X-Babies would be one, that need such a descriptive explanation of their rulings.
Quote from: Jack on March 16, 2012, 12:11:46 PM
Quote from: mattkoz on March 16, 2012, 11:50:07 AM
Have you thought about what the template will look like for character pages?
I've been looking for a way to easily identify which locationsa character is listed on. Listing them on a character's wiki page would certainly be a valuable item.
Listing their available specials would be probably worthwhile too, with links back to the coded special page.
Perhaps some suggested team combinations (though that could get lengthy and really subjective).
I'm still undecided on the character pages.
I don't want to have all the cards on the wiki, that would just be a huge mess. I want to save it for the website as the searching capabilities of the database far exceed anything that the Wiki can do. I'll be starting work on the "OpDeck" portion of the site very soon so I'll keep that in mind when building it.
I've added Beyonder because I thought it would be useful to have information about him because he's such a unique case. There are other characters out there, X-Babies would be one, that need such a descriptive explanation of their rulings.
Good points. I'm glad I asked so I can see your vision.
My concern, as Jesse said, is for deck building. Rather than thumbing through all my locations, I have been using the checklist and doing a Ctrl + F find for a character to see where they show up.
In the spirit of wiki, I guess whatever gets created will end up being there, but it's probably not worth spending time on characters except for a few of the special cases like you mentioned.
I'm going to try to plug away at some more of the specials tonight while watching the NCAA tournament. I think I'm going to go back in and add the Metas to some of these pages after I get the basic templates created.
Quote from: mattkoz on March 16, 2012, 03:11:26 PM
My concern, as Jesse said, is for deck building. Rather than thumbing through all my locations, I have been using the checklist and doing a Ctrl + F find for a character to see where they show up.
Well, it's a wiki, so there's really nobody to govern the content. If you think it would help, by all means add it in.
Working through the Cs. What's the deal with CV? The only one is Longshot's One In a Million and it says AV. Errata?
Quote from: mattkoz on March 17, 2012, 04:20:49 PM
Working through the Cs. What's the deal with CV? The only one is Longshot's One In a Million and it says AV. Errata?
Yes, Longshot's card should be CV. AV are Target cannot attack cards.
Also, Cyclops and Hazard have specials physically coded EN, when they should be CI's I believe, since you are doing the C's.
ci
is the concede
(http://overpower.ca/cards/specials/701.png)
Nope. the EN is the Concede. Check out Fortress of Solitude and New Universe. the CI is +2 to this attack of a given stat.
You guys are confusing me.
EN = Concede card.
CI = +2 crap card.
EDIT:
Off topic, with a new discovery, we're really only missing M*, N*, O*, ZY cards now.
I updated the file with the new description of card codes. Don't bother replacing the ones that are completed -- it should be the same more or less.
http://overpower.ca/pages/meta.php says DIs is Not defensively, but the text from the special guide indicates otherwise.
What's up?
That page should hold more recent information, the special guide that is typed up is outdated (made in 1997 before Classic).
To clarify, DI specials were considered to be defensive before but there was a wholesale change to the rules. Cards which affected the opponent's action could not be played defensively. Cards which affect how a character can be attacked remained (mostly) defensive. The reason was that you couldn't change what your opponent does after your opponent does it; however, you can still change what your character does after an opponent does something. Think of it as a freeze-frame just before the attack lands.
OK. Jack, since you have such a good handle on the news, I'll trust that you can go back in and edit my work.
I'll try to continue to draw your attention to anything that I notice that's weird. I just don't feel very comfortable editing content when it pertains to rules and such.
I don't mind doing the heavy lifting on copy and paste stuff to get the pages up. Hopefully I will be through the D's early this week.
Just worry about copy/pasting the content, I'll worry about correctness when I make a pass through all the pages.
Let me know which Marvel v. Wildstorm promos you want, I'll send them out in advance.
i agree with di not being able to be a defense card
its an attack because it prevents tw cards from being played
Quote from: mattkoz on March 19, 2012, 07:13:16 PM
You guys are confusing me.
That's how I feel 9/10 when I read coding instead of card names on here - all the time :D
http://overpower.ca/wiki/EN
This one was kind of weird with the exception card. Will need some review.
EY's can't be played defensively? http://overpower.ca/wiki/EY Special guide says yes, meta says no.
Quote from: mattkoz on March 27, 2012, 10:37:16 PM
http://overpower.ca/wiki/EN
This one was kind of weird with the exception card. Will need some review.
EY's can't be played defensively? http://overpower.ca/wiki/EY Special guide says yes, meta says no.
That makes sense. I know Superboy's EY (Dubbilex) says
"Opponent's team may not use cards with an Intellect icon for remainder of battle." To me this is an offensive action because you are effectively "attacking" your opponent, so I can understand why it would say no to using it in defense.
Metas would overrule the specials guide.
I made a similar comment on another thread, but anything that affects the opponent cannot be played defensively because the action has already occurred.
I'll review them all in the end, EN is weird since there are a few that were really CI cards in disguise.
Jack, when I have particular questions I can make a tag in the "Summary" section of the edit. This way if you look at all the edits that have been made you can see where there are particular areas of concern. I could also use the "discussion" pages if that's helpful.
Whichever is easier.
http://overpower.ca/wiki/Category:Special_cards
for reference purposes
http://overpower.ca/wiki/Training
and wheres a training card? :)
Quote from: steve2275 on March 28, 2012, 09:04:33 PM
http://overpower.ca/wiki/Training
and wheres a training card? :)
yeah i was wondering that too. i meant to mark that for correction
Fixed.. that's what happens when I do things at 3AM.
you're welcome :)
Quote from: Jack on March 28, 2012, 11:12:04 PM
Fixed.. that's what happens when I do things at 3AM.
Oh well....things happen and you've gotta do what you've gotta do - especially when you're still finishing up school :)
The second half of the F_ specials came from the X-Men expansion after the specials guide was written. I did not create intro text for them, but only added the Meta Rules. Most of them seem to be pretty self explanatory, but if someone wants to add to that, have at it.
I'm sure Jack will get to it eventually, but this is an open invitation to anyone else if they want to contribute.
http://overpower.ca/wiki/DD
i dont think bullseys can be defensive :)
Quote from: steve2275 on March 29, 2012, 09:10:02 AM
http://overpower.ca/wiki/DD
i dont think bullseys can be defensive :)
I double checked the meta guide and it says DD's can be played defensively. I see the text copied from the specials guide indicates offensive only. If there needs to be an Exceptions/Errata section added to explain Bullseye's card, please do so.
It seems there are only two cards in the OP universe coded DD. The Bane one appears to be worded in a way that could be played defensively. I would agree the Bullseye one does not appear to allow for defensive play. In fact, it's unfortunate these are even coded the same. The Bane card is for BATTLE and the Bullseye card is GAME.
It might almost be worth providing images for both cards and putting in two info boxes, if that isn't too clumsy and junky for the page.
yeah
i prefer bane's
I would say that it falls into the category of defensive actions because it's boosting the character playing the card. The sole fact that it's targeting a character shouldn't change that.
that can't be right
how can a card boosting bullseye's attack power be played defensively? that makes less sense than a heal card being played defensively, and that's not allowed.
Quote from: breadmaster on March 29, 2012, 02:06:32 PM
that can't be right
how can a card boosting bullseye's attack power be played defensively? that makes less sense than a heal card being played defensively, and that's not allowed.
That was my thought once I actually looked at it.
Also odd is the fact that Bullseye has to discard an intellect power card usable by him for just +2 to attack, where bane gets +2 to attack and defense, simply by playing the card itself. Bullseye's, being the later of the two to be printed, really should have a different code/rulings then Bane's DD.
Quote from: Demacus on March 29, 2012, 03:07:41 PM
Also odd is the fact that Bullseye has to discard an intellect power card usable by him for just +2 to attack, where bane gets +2 to attack and defense, simply by playing the card itself. Bullseye's, being the later of the two to be printed, really should have a different code/rulings then Bane's DD.
Maybe Bullesyes' was a misprint ;)
I was only looking at Bane's.
http://overpower.ca/wiki/BZ
<Special Code>
Quote from: steve2275 on March 30, 2012, 02:59:03 AM
http://overpower.ca/wiki/BZ
<Special Code>
Fixed. Please feel free to edit something like that yourself, if you are comfortable. That's the whole advantage to the wiki. If not, that's cool; I appreciate proofreading. I'm copying and pasting a lot of stuff, and I'm sure there are a few mistakes.
On another theme, originally I expected it to take much longer to get these specials setup. I am in the J's now and think I can probably finish through ZZ by the end of the weekend, if not soon after. Thanks to Jack for putting a few things together that made it much faster to cut and paste.
Of course this is a wiki so it's an open book, but I'm already beginning to think about some other pages we should undertake. What suggestions are out there?
I think a page for each expansion set would be interesting from a historical perspective and just to catalog the Overpower series. A "Marvels" page would be a great resource and we could include some of the recent information that Jack turned up about the set that never came to fruition.
We've already created a few pages on the different types of cards and we will want to expand on that a little more.
There's already a page created for Beyonder, but I think some of the other "famous" cards should have pages, too. I'm thinking about the Promos and cards like Power Leech and Devourer of Worlds.
There is some text from the "Rules" section of this forum that could be added for clarification on how to play some of the cards.
What other ideas are there?
I'm going to bump this, the wiki needs content. You don't even have to edit the wiki to contribute, just suggest some ideas that you think will be useful to look up.
I originally messaged mattkoz this but I think this information is better off in this topic.
One goal I had for the site in general was to get rid of http://overpower.ca/archive (http://overpower.ca/archive). There's a lot of useful information that's hidden inside but it's not organized and it becomes a mess if you have to look something up.
Though, only about 50% of the information in the folder is useful, the other 50% is deck builds. Of that, only about 30% of the decks are even viable, the others are mostly joke decks or just cool theme ideas that would be fun to play but aren't very competitive. I want to include an article that has "sample competitive decks" drawn from ideas in the archive folder as well as some of the decks posted on the forums.
I also want to include tournament info there as well, similar to how BBH posts the summary at the end of our tournaments. We'll have the tournament standings, brackets, decks (characters + battlesite/mission info -- and possibly full builds of the 2 finalists if provided).
Rules is one section that I think needs to be put onto the wiki. Though, not in its current form because there's a lot of outdated information since it's the Monumental rulebook with some amendments for Aspect cards.
-- Additional parts not mentioned to mattkoz --
There's also a lot of information to be poked out of the forums. There's a lot of posts that, I could only assume we're given permission to use, could go into the wiki after some editing. The history of OP from JohnL is one in particular.
Copy some stuff off Wikipedia. The OverPower article on wikipedia is licensed under almost the same Creative Commons license so it's "legal" to "borrow" information from it. The only difference is that we don't permit the commercialization of our data but that's a minor difference.
I wouldn't mind having the collectibles and promotional checklists on the wiki either. Those two checklists, plus pictures, would make a very good article for collectors (like myself).
--
And please, do consider helping us out with the wiki. Just a simple registration is needed and you're allowed to edit the pages. If you need any help with how to actually edit, I'll gladly give you some pointers to get started (I also installed a toolbar so it would be like using a word processor).
Much of what's written about OP is written toward the reader "you/your/your opponent" which is different from the usual encyclopedic style "the player/his opponent or maybe PLAYER A and PLAYER B".
Jack, what do you think about this? It's certainly easier to leave it in that voice, and it might actually be useful to explain scenarios even though it's kind of informal.
We should probably decide on a general style before populating too much content.
I would probably keep the "you/your" wording, most of the information would be applicable to the reader because they're OverPower players. In other words, we're not providing the 5000ft view of OverPower, we're doing the wiki because everyone that would visit it would have played the game in some aspect.
http://overpower.ca/wiki/JH
This Special bestows upon the playing Character the ability to use any level Teamwork of the type or types indicated. The "To Use" value no longer needs to be checked for this Character. While this card may only be played offensively, it may not be played in conjunction with a teamwork attack (see meta rule regarding playing Specials and Universe cards). When played, this Special should be placed next to the Character but not in the placed position so as to indicate that it is in effect.
i dont think that is right :)
Quote from: steve2275 on April 09, 2012, 08:52:24 AM
http://overpower.ca/wiki/JH
This Special bestows upon the playing Character the ability to use any level Teamwork of the type or types indicated. The "To Use" value no longer needs to be checked for this Character. While this card may only be played offensively, it may not be played in conjunction with a teamwork attack (see meta rule regarding playing Specials and Universe cards). When played, this Special should be placed next to the Character but not in the placed position so as to indicate that it is in effect.
i dont think that is right :)
Thanks, I had copied from the previous page (JG) and not replaced it with the right text. Fixed now.
Slight change to the wiki, now you won't be automatically signed off after 30 days. I bumped it up to 180 days.
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One page to add: OverPower Online how-to.
http://overpower.ca/wiki/LW
(http://overpower.ca/cards/specials/326.png)
http://overpower.ca/wiki/NR
http://overpower.ca/wiki/NZ
Quote from: steve2275 on April 26, 2012, 05:49:14 AM
http://overpower.ca/wiki/LW
http://overpower.ca/wiki/NR
http://overpower.ca/wiki/NZ
FIXED. Sorry I got a little sloppy toward the end, I guess.
Quote from: mattkoz on April 26, 2012, 12:46:18 PM
Quote from: steve2275 on April 26, 2012, 05:49:14 AM
http://overpower.ca/wiki/NR
FIXED. Sorry I got a little sloppy toward the end, I guess.
im confused on how that's actually played
its
discard usable card
show up to 5 from hand
discard the equal up to 5 and get up to the 5 new?
Discard usable card.
Show cards (up to five)
Based on how many cards you've shown, you can draw that same number.
Discard duplicates.
So if you show three, draw three.
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Quote from: steve2275 on April 30, 2012, 12:54:28 PM
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Yeah I didn't create any pages for Marvels only special codes. Have at it, if you'd like
I probably should have done this earlier to avoid the hassle of editing files...
http://overpower.ca/wiki/Template:Specials
EDIT:
Also made one important change.. case-insensitive pages!
cool, man cool
I thought of something that would help out the wiki in terms of specials.
Related special codes.
For example, AA and AB are obviously related because they do 4-5 damage and allow for additional. There's also GJ which is just the AA but with more colours.
BJ and CW, etc.
The amount of work this requires shouldn't be too much, all specials related to AA would already be picked out ahead of time and can be skipped. The time required to edit the wiki would be much more though.
Quote from: Jack on May 30, 2012, 02:49:43 PM
I thought of something that would help out the wiki in terms of specials.
Related special codes.
For example, AA and AB are obviously related because they do 4-5 damage and allow for additional. There's also GJ which is just the AA but with more colours.
BJ and CW, etc.
The amount of work this requires shouldn't be too much, all specials related to AA would already be picked out ahead of time and can be skipped. The time required to edit the wiki would be much more though.
I understand the connection of these specials, but what are you proposing to do about it on the Wiki? I'm confused on that part.
==Related specials==
[[AB]]
[[GJ]]
Aha! OK, cool idea. Good for deckbuilding and battlesite prep, so if you already use a code you can look for a similar code to get a similar card in there.
i would help but this community has taught me that my knowledge of the game is very limited. :)
http://overpower.ca/wiki/AI
If this Special is drawn in a hand where the opponent has no placed cards, it must either be placed or discarded as unplayable.
does that include if it was drawn after an at special was played as my drawn card?
Can you stop posting questions about the rules? Put that in the Rules Questions forum, this topic should only involve questions regarding the wiki.
sorry about that
its a well done wiki
especially
Specials
A
AA AB AC AD AE AF AG AH AI AJ AK AL AM AN AO AP AQ AR AS AT AU AV AW AX AY AZ
B
BA BB BC BD BE BF BG BH BI BJ BK BL BM BO BP BQ BR BS BT BU BV BW BX BY BZ
C
CA CB CC CD CE CF CG CH CI CJ CK CL CM CN CO CP CQ CR CS CT CU CV CW CX CY CZ
D
DA DB DD DE DF DG DH DI DJ DK DL DM DN DO DP DQ DR DS DT DU DV DW DX DY DZ
E
EA EB EC ED EE EF EG EH EI EJ EK EL EM EN EO EP EQ ER ES ET EU EV EW EX EY EZ
F
FA FB FC FD FE FF FG FH FI FJ FK FL FM FN FO FP FQ FR FS FT FU FV FW FX FY
G
GA GB GC GD GE GF GG GH GI GJ GK GL GM
H
HA HB HC HD HE HF HG HH HI HJ HK HL HM HN HO HP HQ HR HS HT HU HV HW HX HY HZ
I
IA IB IC ID IE IF IG
J
JA JB JC JD JE JF JG JH JI JJ JK JL JM JN JO JP JQ JR JS JT JU JV JW JX JY JZ
K
KA KB KC KD KE KF KG KH KI KJ KK KL KM KN KO KP KQ KR KS KT
L
LA LB LC LD LE LF LG LH LI LJ LK LM LN LO LP LQ LR LS LT LU LV LW LX LY LZ
M
MA MB MC MD ME MF MG MH MI MJ MK ML MM MN MO MP MQ MR MS MT MU MV MW MX MY MZ
N
NA NB NC ND NE NF NG NH NI NJ NK NL NM NN NO NP NQ NR NS NT NU NV NW NX NY NZ
O-Z
OA OB OC OD OE OF OG OH OI OJ OK OM ON OP OQ OR ZY ZZ
Added all the meta rules.
Added {{Specials}} to all special codes.
EDIT:
A lot of work done (http://overpower.ca/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&from=20120611000000&days=1&limit=100)
Also, since I'm getting confused, I'm putting it on the forums to set the record straight.
The page for Any Hero or Any Character will be officially Any Character because that's the format that the OverPower kept after DC came out. Referencing the pages can be done with [[Any Character|Any Hero/Character]] [[Any Character]] [[Any Character|Any Hero]] etc.
Jack, the wiki looks great. Some of the navigational tables you've added are a big help to moving through the site. The wiki is open on the tablet and ready during a game at my house for rule checks and metas.
The wiki populating is going fine though I would really like some help with editorial stuff.
JohnL has posted a lot of good articles on the forums and I would like to have most/some of it on the wiki.
Here are four relevant topics:
OverPower history: Ratings (http://www.beenhereandthere.com/SMF/index.php?topic=472.msg5101)
OverPower history: The monthly venture (http://www.beenhereandthere.com/SMF/index.php?topic=446.msg4624)
OverPower History: Regionals and Nationals (http://www.beenhereandthere.com/SMF/index.php?topic=401.msg4024)
Overpower history: Power Players to OP (http://www.beenhereandthere.com/SMF/index.php?topic=159.msg1191)
I've already started work on the Legion Newsletters (http://overpower.ca/wiki/OverPower_Legion_Newsletters). Something I would really like to do is have the entire newsletter typed up. I could attempt to use OCR on it and fill in missing/corrupted words. I would also try typing up all ~50 pages of articles but hockey season is over and I don't have 3 hours of idle time to sit and type. I also don't have any more cousins that need to "practice" typing.