OP Cup 2014

[chuu]

Marcel won the tournament.

[BlueFire]

Marcel won the OP Cup.

The championship tournament has not happened yet.

[Jack]

Rounds 3 and 4 for the weekend!

http://youtu.be/GJnP0aQeJmQ Ed Kowalewski vs Danny McGlynn
http://youtu.be/OkUErX4h0Ug Marcel Lojet vs Mike Sutton
http://youtu.be/ZlMwZMyAxy0 Doug Simms vs Chris Vezina
http://youtu.be/-u8h5R-ztis Myles Head vs Phil Keffer

http://youtu.be/xHUdUAZSC6Q  Phil Keffer vs Marcel Lojet
http://youtu.be/Cdty2n4FVks Jack Truong vs Bret Reed
http://youtu.be/-Oio9W_BVck Carl Caroffino vs Myles Head
http://youtu.be/yXPyfjzSSlQ Mike Sutton vs Sean Ballantyne

[chuu]

Thanks Jack, these were good...i like how close that Mike Vs Sean was...

[BigBadHarve]

Thanks Jack, these were good...i like how close that Mike Vs Sean was...

Yeah, betting 7 is always a gamble. But it paid off a few times that tournament. Two games I bet 7 in the opening round and won, two other matches I bet 6 in the 2nd round, won both of those times too.

Nice, effective team. Let's see if I can start a new Galactus trend! 

[steve2275]

ive been a GALACTUS reserve man for years
same with the all 7 in move

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkUErX4h0Ug&feature=youtu.be
illegal  use of image inducer at 29:21

[BigBadHarve]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkUErX4h0Ug&feature=youtu.be
illegal  use of image inducer at 29:21

How was it illegal? He shifted the hit, and then milled two cards to his dead pile....

[steve2275]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkUErX4h0Ug&feature=youtu.be
illegal  use of image inducer at 29:21

How was it illegal? He shifted the hit, and then milled two cards to his dead pile....

it was there for 2 extra battles
shoulda been discarded at 16:37

[BigBadHarve]

Ah! So it was! I had to scroll back quite a bit to see that.... Yikes!

It seems there's a reckonin' coming for the OP GOD! 

[steve2275]

Ah! So it was! I had to scroll back quite a bit to see that.... Yikes!

It seems there's a reckonin' coming for the OP GOD! 

i feel a bob seger song coming on
http://www.metrolyrics.com/shakedown-lyrics-bob-seger.html
Breakdown, takedown, you're busted

[Hot Rod]

Not only the amount of cheating in this tournament should be noted here, but the pay out as well.  Cheating whether "intentional" or not is still cheating, and shouldn't be rewarded like we now see after Columbus.

The onus can't solely be placed on a single individual to catch these acts of cheating.  It's doubtlessly unfair to the rest of the field, and only serves to promote exploitive play.

I don't now about any of you, but I know my own output could benefit greatly from such play.  The sound of being 300$ richer is quite appealing to me, and would put up more than a fight versus any preconceived notion of "honor," as the punishment is virtually nonexistent.

[OP GOD]

Hey Garion ,

Not quite sure of your thought train here.  I know you have some residual bad blood from a renege that happened in the same tournament.  I must say your using big words, as in claiming there was a lot of "cheating" that occurred in Columbus.  Mistakes happen, as we can see I made one blatantly via the image inducer.  However, not that I need to claim my innocence, but it was an error.  Just like the error I noticed where Doug Simms goes first against Chris vezina after his bet 5, even though it was Chris who should have went first.  These errors do happen in tournaments, when discovered all renege rules are followed, when not discovered by either party play continues. 

Now to touch on what I think you were getting at.  $300 is a lot of money to some people and you may find yourself in a scenario that someone is purposefully cheating against you.  I would assure you as one of the organizers of tournaments. That our group is still very small and a life time ban would be implemented for any actively caught cheaters.

If you were implying I cheated my way to 10-0 and the tournament prize.  I will have personal words with you, at another time. My games are recorded and I personally played you as well. 

I want people to remember, that despite most of us being grown and mature men. (A few women)  There are always bad apples.

Cheating will not be tolerated at the championships and would be an immediate removal (possible broken thumbs)

Before the tournament we will cover renege's and the steps.

As for your particular incedent at the OP cup, it was handled properly and I understand your frustration as you feel your were not rewarded for your opponent making that mistake.   However, you did receive the venture for the round and all renege rules were followed.  So please elaborate on your thoughts. Those are mine.

Marcel
OP GOD

PS. Sorry about the error mike.

[drdeath25]

Wow, I actually agree with Hot Rod 100% on this one. People who cheat suck. Makes a fun game no fun at all. There is no room for that in the Overpower community.

So if someone is caught cheating after a tournament, what happens? Do they have to give back the prize money?  Will 2nd place be rewarded the victory? In the NCAA, when teams are caught cheating, even if its 5-years after the fact, they forfeit all of their wins during the duration of their cheating. Like Lance Armstrong being stripped of his Tour De France victories. It sucks for the guy in 2nd place, cause he doesn't get to properly celebrate his victory after a long time of thinking he was the best loser, and nobody will really ever remember him as the champion, but it seems like the right thing to do.

In this case, I think it may be a bit heavy to make Marcel forfeit his 1st place prize for such a seemingly innocent renege. And obviously, he isn't giving you any of his prize money back. But I do think these "official Canadian OP rankings" should be adjusted, showing Marcel as having a loss in the game he cheated in. Cheating is not acceptable at all, especially in the friendly overpower community. I mean, I absolutely hate it when I cheat at overpower and get caught... wait, did i say that out loud? Anyway, you all must give Marcel tons of credit here, he had the balls to cheat while being recorded, takes the prize money and shove it in your face a month after the fact when you finally realize it. Like a boss, a true OP God... at cheating. To be clear, by the word cheat i obviously mean "Innocent Mistakes", of course.

The moral of this story is, "Kids, if you absolutely must cheat (make errors), don't do it while being recorded, cause you will likely get caught when people watch the video".

On a side note, I did notice in Marcel's game against Sean Valentine, at the 7:00 mark Sean plays the New Warriors card saying the opponent cannot play strength cards for remainder of battle. Marcel immediately picks up the card, and reads it over. Then on his next offensive action tries to attack with an A-Next. Sean of course, told him to get that crap out here. For an OP God, Marcel clearly makes alot of innocent mistakes.  Could it of been Marcel trying to exploit his opponent into making a mistake? Only one person knows. With no penalty, and Marcel just putting his A-next back on his Team Overpower and acting like he didn't try to play it, it was worth a shot to him to try and catch his opponent sleeping. Nothing to lose.  Seems as if part of his strategy is to do whatever the hell he wants, and makes you have to call him out on it, and if you dont he gets away with cheating, and if you do, he loses nothing.

I would be watching "Mr. I look cool with my hood and sunglasses on indoors" very closely at the Overpower Championship.

Dont be mad at my opinion.

Edit: As i'm watching these videos Marcel, you are really starting to piss me off. I used to respect you man, but looking into the camera after you win a battle and saying "CANT BLUFF ME, SON!" makes you look like a fucking idiot. I would seriously slap the shit out of you if you said something like that while sitting across the table from me. Real talk.

[Jack]

There's really no way to know if someone is explicitly cheating or not. I'm sure the Image Inducer was kept on by accident, I really hope it was an accident.

Marcel should have known that he was shifting every round without playing it. Around the 30 minute mark, Marcel should have pointed out to Mike that the Inducer was kept on for much longer than it should have.

Was Marcel cheating? I hope not.
Was he being dishonest? Likely.

However, it wasn't caught by Mike. There's really not much we can do as judges in this scenario. If Mike were to ask for a judge's ruling, we probably would have given Marcel an immediate loss. But the game continued for another 18 minutes.

The job of the judges is to answer, truthfully, any question that comes up and resolve issues. This issue was not brought up in this match so none of us were aware.

Is there anything that can be done for the OP Cup 2014? No. Marcel has a 10-0 record that is now tainted. In the future, the only "ruling" I would make is that your own cards with a lasting duration should never be in the permanent record for any reason. With both players using possible identical sleeves, it just adds to the confusion.

[chuu]

i think it's up to the opposing player to catch "cheating" or "mistakes" whatever they might be.  At one tournament I played at, my opponent played the KO event, I preceeded to KO my character and he asked the Judge something about another card and then continued to play normally. He either forgot to KO his character or did that intentionally, regardless, I should have been paying better attention. Also, I personally don't think $300 is enough money to get bent out of shape for.