Variant Heroes

Started by teesaw, February 10, 2014, 09:48:42 AM

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teesaw

I'm updating this post to share the latest in my Variant Heroes.  While I feel that each one of them deserves their own post, I don't want to flood the forum with a million different posts...

You've also met these guys already (Sigh...Hulkbuster was the first custom I ever made...):  I've made some slight visual changes, and I've also changed Hulkbuster's grid based on your suggestions below.  Sometimes walking away from a project and coming back to it is really helpful:



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I beleive you've already met Deadpool & The Phoenix Five, and they've got their own posts.

Here's the new stuff....




Editorial Points to follow below:
(1) Juggernaut card art shows spiderman (and Iron spider shows a sliver of Ms. Marvel)...I try really hard to keep other characters out of the Hero Card images, but I really liked this visual (even though the blurryness on the left makes me nauseous when I look at it on my laptop screen...)
"I could almost taste the victory...but ultimately it was denied, as is usually the case." - Nate Grey

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TheBradness

Nice job.  Love the Hulkbuster armor

Nate Grey

That is one sweet looking Hulkbuster Iron Man card!!


teesaw

Thanks guys - working on some more variant cards as well...
"I could almost taste the victory...but ultimately it was denied, as is usually the case." - Nate Grey

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SUNSPOT

the Hulk Buster, I have considered this char. before with this specs.

3E
4F
8S
7I

Being in HB ARMOR doesn't change Tony Starks intelligence, so keep the 7, but that same factor doesn't change his fighting to justify the 6F...

steve2275

Quote from: SUNSPOT on February 19, 2014, 02:09:20 PM
the Hulk Buster, I have considered this char. before with this specs.

3E
4F
8S
7I

Being in HB ARMOR doesn't change Tony Starks intelligence, so keep the 7, but that same factor doesn't change his fighting to justify the 6F...
i agree with you

teesaw

Quote from: SUNSPOT on February 19, 2014, 02:09:20 PM
the Hulk Buster, I have considered this char. before with this specs.

3E
4F
8S
7I

Being in HB ARMOR doesn't change Tony Starks intelligence, so keep the 7, but that same factor doesn't change his fighting to justify the 6F...

The idea was to make him fill a role that he normally wouldn't fill, rather than just enhancing the card that previously existed.   What you describe might be appropriate in terms of realism, but I wanted to see Iron Man with a different grid, entirely.

"I could almost taste the victory...but ultimately it was denied, as is usually the case." - Nate Grey

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teesaw

#8
Big update to the original post!  Check it out and please leave any comments or feedback you may have!

here's the new stuff....







"I could almost taste the victory...but ultimately it was denied, as is usually the case." - Nate Grey

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adamsonofwilliam

All those Heroes look great!  I've been hoping for a good-lookin' Iron Fist to show up!

justa

Nice!
Cap Snap:  love the improved grid & IA.  Makes him easier to use & he still gets his KL.
Cap Carol:  much better IA than before.
Iron Fist:  I like the card, but I think he's a strong enough character for his own specials.  But letting him use H4H specials is a added bonus for your version! Works for me.
Hulkbuster: no comment
Juggs PR:  you got yourself a monster there, I think.  WOW.  (the "blur" only makes me dizzy)
Nick DOS:  maybe a 3 strength would have been more appropriate, but as a 17 instead of an 18 or 20, he's much more usable, especially with the double 7s and Reserve capability.  Brings to mind a team SHIELD character card with specials, and this version of Nick could play SHIELD non-OPDs.  Tangents....
Iron Spider:  wouldn't the suit give him a 7 strength, since he has a 6 without it?  And what is it about Taunt & Web the this version couldn't play them?  Nice card, though.
justa my opinions....

DoktorSleepless

Love the art effect on Iron Fist.

I'm guessing it's a duplicate image, transparency less than 100% and more than 50%, scaled up and then merged down onto the black layer, with the original image layered over it and to the left. But don't tell me yet, now I want to experiment with that!

Not sure I can add anything to the other commentary that's already been made here. Seeing these makes me feel like I need to step up my customs production game!

teesaw

Thanks for the feedback!

Quote from: justa on December 11, 2014, 02:06:30 PM
Iron Fist:  I like the card, but I think he's a strong enough character for his own specials.  But letting him use H4H specials is a added bonus for your version! Works for me.

I felt like H4H needed a team member clone, and since they're arguably the strongest set of specials in the game, I needed an expensive grid to support those specials.  I considered Hercules or Luke Cage, but I felt like they were Strength heroes, and their grids wouldn't have been much different from the H4H grid.  I would have preferred a 23-point intellect hero, but there wasn't an H4H member that I felt comfortable with making a card for. 

With that in mind, I 100% agree that Iron Fist is strong enough to support his own specials, and you're making me question whether I should make a standalone Iron Fist, and make the H4H clone White Tiger...only problem I see there is that without Iron Fist's energy stat, it's tough to scrape together 21+ points to make it an "expensive grid."  3-8-5-5 = 21?  This is a great suggestion and should be considered.

Quote from: justa on December 11, 2014, 02:06:30 PMNick DOS: maybe a 3 strength would have been more appropriate, but as a 17 instead of an 18 or 20, he's much more usable, especially with the double 7s and Reserve capability.  Brings to mind a team SHIELD character card with specials, and this version of Nick could play SHIELD non-OPDs.  Tangents....

I thought about making his strength a bit higher, but I liked the idea of bringing him in under 18.   Regarding your suggested S.H.I.E.L.D. card, I can neither confirm nor deny my involvement with such a card.

Quote from: justa on December 11, 2014, 02:06:30 PM
Iron Spider:  wouldn't the suit give him a 7 strength, since he has a 6 without it?  And what is it about Taunt & Web the this version couldn't play them?  Nice card, though.

With regard to his grid, I don't disagree that there's probably some flexibility with the Strength stat, but I didn't want to make him a double 7; With regard to the OPD's, the primary card that I'm taking away here is "With Great Power...".  When I look at Iron Man in overpower, his OPD's are what make him "Iron Man"...his Non-OPD's are pretty generic (AA, AC, AD, AE...)  The idea here is that I'm giving Spider-Man the Iron Man power, but there's got to be a drawback.

Looking forward to more feedback! 
"I could almost taste the victory...but ultimately it was denied, as is usually the case." - Nate Grey

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drdeath25

I agree with your reasoning on the iron spider, but it would be soooo much more fun to make it the opposite and let him use iron man non opd's and spiderman opds. Iron Mans best card is arguably his LO, and With Great Power is such a fun card to use. Just in terms of fun factor I vote to change him that way.

And i actually think it makes him better overall as a character actually, so he would be alot more usable as a 22 point character with no 8-stat or double 7's.