Palatinus' OverPower Forum

hey ptg, thanks for the thoughts

regarding 'oscorp sponsorship', play testing has not revealed this to be imbalanced at all.  there are enough drawbacks that keep the card in check.  a big one is that you have to use green goblin, and he's just not that good!

the blink card has also proven to be powerful but balanced.  it's greatest impact is from a battlesite, but doesn't to be any greater that other negate-only cards that can end the game

of course, testing can only reveal so much when there's so many cards to look at, and a limited number of players involved, so if you have any decks that you believe can be game-breaking, post em on here, and we'll give em a look.  or you could test yourself and report how the results look (most of the evils characters have really bad cards that can be used as proxies for the new ones, just more of a pain with the 10 new characters)

Hi,

I believe Hot Rod and others have asked for an updated checklist of all the proposed cards. Given that list, we're happy to playtest same in detail. The October event might be a good framework to playtest a lot of these cards, as we did with DCIII. Again, I'm of the opinion that in order for a set to enter the mainstream we have to work hard at breaking it. Playing with a good cross-section of all the current players is way better than the local crew of players IMHO, as the teams will be way more creative, and don't suffer from deck design "blindness". Again, I'm concerned with a card that can oneshot a 28 point character in exchange for an 18 point character, so please convince me otherwise re the balance issue.

PtG

yep, the links are here, 5th post from the bottom

http://www.beenhereandthere.com/SMF/custom-cards/so-i-was-thinking-about-ultimate-evil/525/

how can I convince that the card tested as balanced?  it was tested, and it did not appear unbalanced.  do you have a specific threshold for when a card becomes broken?  we simply played with the cards, and addressed the problems as they revealed themselves (ex, original hydra text and the mephisto opd)

Don't take this the wrong way, breadmaster, because it's not meant to offend; I think the concern a handful of people have expressed in the Ultimate Evil threads is related to both the limited playtesting (I would suggest having at least a dozen people test these cards in an attempt to 'break' them before setting anything in stone) and the one sided control over the abilities of the cards themselves.

Now, if this is a set like DC3 that is meant to be used for fun in casual play with friends or whatever, then I don't see any issues with the cards. This is primarily your project (with Bios assisting on the artistic side), you've put in the most work and it should come down to your final word, just like Overpower Legion on Facebook, who created sets like DC3 and supplied them to the community for free.

On the other hand, if your intention is to have these cards be deck eligible in the tournaments that are organized on this site (OP Cup, etc.), this shouldn't come down to one person making the final call on the card abilities. I've seen a handful of requests from BigBadHarve and Pass the Gestalt requesting the list of card candidates, so that the group can playtest them in a similar manner to DC3. It would be in the best interest of the thriving, yet small, OverPower community to come together and agree in a democratic process as to which cards should make the final cut.

The interest is there, and at some point soon, this game will require new cards and characters. The DC3 set is a ton of fun, but there is certainly balance issues. I think the character grids are much improved across the board, and they should really be taken into consideration to be allowed into tournament play. It would be a start, at least. With new cards, this game could get an injection of life and might even attract people who have never played the original OverPower. While I haven't been able to attend a tournament yet, I do live in the Buffalo area, and I can tell you first hand that there are quite a few people that would be interested in coming back to OverPower if there was new content accepted by the current community.

This set could be the first step, but in order for that to happen, I think at least the Toronto/Buffalo group needs to get together and playtest the heck out of the card list, and make adjustments where needed. I hope everything works out and appreciate the work breadmaster and bios have contributed to Ultimate Evil so far and another shout out to bios for his custom card sets (I'd still love to get a link to that Spider-Man set, if it's available). Just my thoughts...

I can't provide a comprehensive list, because I don't have one.  what I had was a sheet of paper that had the post numbers for each character, but that is long gone

with regards to testing, anybody can test anytime, and it would be fantastic!  just report the results here

here's a new one

This where play testing would be a good thing.  This says for remainder of game BUT is not opd.  Also it only takes one hit.  There has to be at least one PC follow up on a TW.  It would be nice to have in play to handle the bold few that use basic universe cards to make a 10+ attack to 'go over the top' of AD specials that block 1-9 attacks. Looking forward to the release!

My guess is without the input from the OverPower community, or at least the Toronto/Buffalo guys that get together on a consistent basis and manage the new rankings and tournaments, this set will just be used for 'fun' play like DC3, and will not be legal for tournament play. The cards are looking very nice, so far, and it'll be interesting to see the final product, but I do hope that one day soon, new cards can be introduced into the tournament scene.

I vowed to keep my head out of this set, however, I can only agree with TGW.  I IMPLORE YOU BREADMASTER.  Take the couple of hours to compile your list and release it.  Then we will play test it, before you go through the hassle of printing sets.  We could have an amazing set that you have invested so much time in.  With enough play testing. We could eventually petition it to be a tournament worthy set. However, as stated if this set is just released without input. I can probably say with all certainty it would never see the light other then in fun games. 

How is bios making the cards if he doesn't have a list to work off?  Is he scrolling through old posts?

If so can he compile the ones he has already made ?

M

OP GOD

i agree, if this much time energy and work has been already done, take a few more little steps to work out any kinks.

might as well make something that is going to last

I've never been implored before!

bios is working off an excel spreadsheet that was literally copy/pasted from those links I provided a year ago

I just went back, and edited the 3 posts with about a dozen changes, so they are now up to date (I didn't bother changing the special card names, but a few of those will be different). 

the site won't let me post a list with all 3 together (it exceeds the character limit/post) .here are the links again

aspects: http://www.beenhereandthere.com/SMF/custom-cards/so-i-was-thinking-about-ultimate-evil/315/
(6th post from the bottom)

specials for existing characters: http://www.beenhereandthere.com/SMF/custom-cards/absolute-evil-image-suggestions/
(1st post)

character cards and specials for new characters: http://www.beenhereandthere.com/SMF/custom-cards/so-i-was-thinking-about-ultimate-evil/450/
(3rd post from the bottom)

as a one-time special, I will even offer to copy/paste those lists into a notepad file, and send them to anyone who really wants them, but can't spare the 60 seconds to do it themselves.  just send me a PM with your email

I will try and playtest as many cards as I can.    It would be nice if this would become a tournament legal set We might see new decks and more variety. Who knows?

P.S I disagree with some effects but hey, that is just me

here's another new one

Hurry up and take my money!

I love seeing art match my minds concept for some of my card suggestions! If this set is printed, I will pick it up for sure!

Quote from: breadmaster on September 15, 2014, 06:27:56 PM
Shere's another new one

thanks for the encouragement

originally, I thought searching for images would be a drag (since there are over 150 unique ones), but it actually turned out to be quite fun...still time consuming though

sometimes you'd find an image that fit the text perfectly, but was low quality.  sometimes it was a great image, but didn't match the text.  other times, we just changed stuff around.  an example of that is the lizard image I posted earlier on this page.  you called it 'twitching distraction' which I adored, but I could NOT find an appropriate image.  it was suggested to change it into a universe absorbing EB, which makes it different, and matches a beautiful image, with a fitting card name for the character

love when it works out like that!