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I'm waiting for a package to arrive from hobbylobby.com, so the homemade foils are on pause. C'est la vie. In the meantime, because why not, here's some sweetness I made at home. These were all printed on an hp 1010 laser printer (read:one of the cheapest printers money can buy) with special card stock [$.49/sheet], aligned by hand, glued with Krylon spray adhesive 7010, pressed, trimmed with an x-acto and ruler, corners cut with scissors (I don't own a curved-blade stamp yet, but that's my next investment), then sealed with Krylon gloss low odor clear finish. In spite of using absolutely the cheapest materials, the finished product is most excellent. I tried to get the right texture, gloss, etc to the cards.

I made these characters and the card back image tonight, rather slap-dash, specifically for this project (well, except Moon Knight, but he has been a mainstay of my printing attempts because the all white surface is a unique challenge). The images printed a little small and the cards are a little thick, unfortunately. I think once the rolling pin is out of the dishwasher, I may try to reduce the thickness. Now, some cards:











Close up of the first image:

These look great!

I'm particularly fond of Cyclops and The Spider.

These look excellent.

these look great!  can we see a close up of the back art?   heh heh....backside

Cool cards!  Do you have some place where these are available for better viewing? (the card file, not the physical card itself)
Love the AoA versions.  Apocalypse is a beast.  With that IA, he deserves a 24!
Ultron might need to be nerfed somewhat.  28 for TDB = Beyonder.
The Spider seems to be a different take on Spider-Carnage, yes?

OP Lives!

moon knight looks fantastic!

Here's the images I started with:









The AoA cards are a taste of things to come. Apocalypse needed this upgraded version. His old version didn't do justice to him; this way he actually seems like a 24-point world-conqueror. Cyclops and Jean got some decent art and stat tweaks, nothing too extravagant. More will be forthcoming from AoA soon, and I'm going to fix that back or get a clean version of AoA#5 Edgar Tadeo variant cover (Weapon X fighting Apocalypse) to use as the back.

The Spider is from Exiles, and yup, he's Peter Parker, merged with the Carnage Symbiote. With his IA, he doesn't get "With Great Power", which is a flavor win and keeps the power level in check.

I should have put an inherent on Ultron that makes him less for tournament building. The idea is that he's a mini-Galactus, but with some specials. Mostly he was just filler. I'll gladly take any Ultron suggestions into consideration.

I am drying the back coat of clear sealant on a bunch (18 cards, 2 sets of 9) of 2099 stuff right now. It's totally awesome looking, even though it was all cut by hand. I have 6 more cards (2 sets of 3) to seal in the morning, and then I'm intending to send one set to teesaw and (assuming his kid doesn't check this forum) posting pictures of them. I also have (printed but not joined/cut/etc) 2 sheets of variants/heroes that finish the 2099 set and include The Spider, Iron Man:Hulkbuster, White Tiger, and more sweet stuff done by teesaw and myself. If I can, I'll finish those tomorrow and post as well.

Should I post the file images after shots of the actual cards, or is that too many pics?

just stick with the main pics
w g p isnt OPD
and is ultron really that great of a fighter?

These look great - can't wait to see more

Bee-Yoo-Tee-Full, Dok.  Thanks So much!  I prefer the "pre-print" file images myself.  Much easier to see!  The pictures of the actual card (printed & cut) are OK, but not as good.
Specific card comments:
Ultron - I agree with steve that his fighting should be lower, at least a 6 if not a 5.  Something to be able to bring him down to 23 for TBD (1 less than Galactus).  The specials should be able to re-power him up to where you see him.  (BTW: I've seen 21 unique specials for Galactus, so don't be afraid to make Ultorn's specials "kick-a$$".)
The Spider - Thanks for the clarification.  Sounds like he needs a "counts as variant of Spiderman & Carnage", at least be intent, if not IA.  Will fit well with Blink & Mimic.
Moon Knight - Not really too knowledgible on him (need to do some research).  Isn't he sort of Batman + Iron Fist?  Grid seems appropriate, and IA gives him a good boost.
Apocalypse - Love it just as is.  I agree he needed something.
Jean Grey - no comment
Cyclops - Perfect example of how the "pre-print" file image is better than the "post-print".  I could see the map on the actual card, but here I can actually read the details.  Much better than any other I've seen.

General comment - Ultron's body & Cyclops' foot both extend a little below the bottom of the "card".  Nothing a little cropping can't fix.

AOA - not sure if Location cards are part of your AOA vision, but I'll throw 2 ideas out to you:  1) An "Earth-295" location that requires using the legacy "Age Of Apocalypse" location as a battle site.  (Earth-295 might be too general a name for it.)  2) An alternate "AOA" location that requires using Apocalypse specials as Any Character specials (similar to X-Men location using Jubliee found elsewhere in this forum).  Probably can't use battlesite.  If these seem to have any merit for you, we can discuss.

thanks again

Quote from: justa on December 18, 2014, 10:16:28 AM
Bee-Yoo-Tee-Full, Dok.  Thanks So much!  I prefer the "pre-print" file images myself.  Much easier to see!  The pictures of the actual card (printed & cut) are OK, but not as good.
Specific card comments:
Ultron - I agree with steve that his fighting should be lower, at least a 6 if not a 5.  Something to be able to bring him down to 23 for TBD (1 less than Galactus).  The specials should be able to re-power him up to where you see him.  (BTW: I've seen 21 unique specials for Galactus, so don't be afraid to make Ultorn's specials "kick-a$$".)

pre-print meaning big pics?
im seeing cyborg metallo and parasite all of a sudden

"Pre-print" meaning the computer file image before the cards are printed and cut, as opposed to a picture of the physical cards after they have been printed and cut.  Whether the images are large or small doesn't matter so much, as long as the dimensions are approximately 5:7 (2.5:3.5) and the text/artwork are clearly visible. (I have some eye problems, OK?)  Like I said, Cyclops AOA is a good example of the difference.

Quote from: steve2275 on December 18, 2014, 10:24:16 AM

Quote from: justa on December 18, 2014, 10:16:28 AM
Bee-Yoo-Tee-Full, Dok.  Thanks So much!  I prefer the "pre-print" file images myself.  Much easier to see!  The pictures of the actual card (printed & cut) are OK, but not as good.
Specific card comments:
Ultron - I agree with steve that his fighting should be lower, at least a 6 if not a 5.  Something to be able to bring him down to 23 for TBD (1 less than Galactus).  The specials should be able to re-power him up to where you see him.  (BTW: I've seen 21 unique specials for Galactus, so don't be afraid to make Ultorn's specials "kick-a$$".)

pre-print meaning big pics?
im seeing cyborg metallo and parasite all of a sudden

I think there are two things going on here.  For evaluating the design of the cards, i.e. do we like the balance of stats, art, inherent abilities?  Do we feel that this aligns with the comic book incarnations of these heroes? then yes - I think the post labeled "Dok's 2099 Card Designs" or what-have-you and maybe another not-yet-existent post called "Dok's AOA Card Designs" is a great place for crisp JPEG images to be pawed over by the group - myself included, and photos of printed cards may not serve the purpose of those posts.

With that being said, I have an interest in seeing how great these look printed on linen cardstock, sprayed with clearcoat, hand cut or punch-cut, edged with elmers glue, or construction adheseve, layed out on the kitchen table in all their homemade glory, and the post "Home Printed Fun!" is a great place to showcase these.  If the community overrules my opinion here, while I respect that, I would only ask that you continue to e-mail the photos to me, since I love seeing them.

Different people, different preferences.  All valid.  That's what I love about these forums.  Its up to the poster to finally decide what he wants to/can put up.

Great input guys!

I'm finishing up quite a bit of home-printed stuff right now, and am sending half out to teesaw. I'll be waiting to post pics until after Xmas to be safe, unless I hear from him that there's no danger of his kid accidentally seeing these before then. Not sure about y'all, but I'm pretty sure if I was still a kid who played OP (instead of an adult who does), I'd pretty much lose it when I saw brand new OP cards from Santa. And a week of waiting to see them won't kill any of us. It's all stuff that's been posted here before, just not as actual printed cards.

Anyway, let's talk specifics for a minute:

Ultron - Agreed. I want him to be lower power than Galactus, but strong enough stats to be on-par with Thanos as a threat. I also (pics coming soon) have been doing a Multi-Power 6 card (it's Thanos, who can use it) and was thinking "Man, I really need a character to do Multi-7, so I can do a Galactus Multi-8 and fix that lack of symmetry in the game". So I though Ultron was a good candidate. But you're right, I don't know that his fighting (or even really his strength, if I'm being honest) rate at a 7. Given how totally insane his specials are going to be (remember Sentinels "Learning Circuits" special? Yeah, that's getting an upgrade for Ultron... it will be brutal, because there's got to be some indication that he's a global-or-greater level threat), I have no problem ratcheting him back a point or two.

The Spider - Yes, he does absolutely need a variant clause. Seeing also that W/GreatPpower isn't a OPD special, I think I may have to review and alter it. Maybe only Spider-Man OPD specials? I don't know, I need to look more deeply at his specials. But definitely full access to Carnage specials is appropriate.

Moon Knight - He's always gotten a bad rap as "Batman with Multiple Personalities", but there have been 2 very good runs (one in 2006 and one this past year w/Warren Ellis for issues 1-6), and the character has a lot to offer. He's got Batman-level wealth, fighting skills, gadgets, but has two distinct advantages:
1) He's an avatar of Khonshu, an Egyptian Moon-God. Part of that job? He can't be killed, apparently. In the comics he's more than once been left for dead and come back.
2) He's portrayed as far more tech-savvy.
To me, that reads as an inherent that makes him hard to KO, and some specials that generate card advantage. Seems like a leg-up on Batman to me.

AoA Characters - Thank you for the positive support! I'm really quite pleased with Apocalypse, he seems not only finally playable, but kind of terrifying (which he should be)! As for Scott/Jean, no one seems to think they needed anything else. Which is good, because I had nothing there. I will be sure to post my pre-print cards in the future so people can see art, but I think you'll all be surprised how legible it is on the card itself.

Locations - I love what you're working with! I was brainstorming last night on locations (I need to work out the font on them, it looks like Rundfunk but my comp doesn't recognize it as any Rundfunk I have already) for 2099 and AoA. Any other input anyone has for any is appreciated!

Card backs - AoA isn't done at all yet, the one above is a placeholder. The 2099 back is very much a final back, teesaw designed it and it blew away what I was working on. For the variant heroes I'm doing, I've used teesaw's back, although now that I've figured out what source art he's using, I've pulled a couple sweet images for future sets (one of Iron Man/War Machine, one of Ares and I forget who, maybe Iron Man).

Materials and Process - I'm using paper card stock right now, not Linen. It's cheaper, though not by a ton, and is MUCH easier to find. Last time I went for Linen stock, they were sold out. The difference is texture and thickness. The texturing on mine is much more extreme, as is the thickness. I'd say my cards are at least 2-3x thicker than they should be, and the texture is much bumpier. It's also responsible for the images being less crisp than they could be. I'm also hand-cutting everything, even corners. Maybe I'm a masochist, I don't know. But let's be clear: I spent my undergrad getting a chem degree, then spent more years slaving away as a faceless corporate science drone. If there's one thing that was drilled into me, it was to take copious notes and pictures. So each step forward in printing is being carefully documented and noted for later use. I'm quite hopeful that the intersection of all this print-experimentation is going to be really high-quality specialty foils in the end. But for now, it's all about figuring out materials and methods through trial and error.

I think that covers everything.

Also - If anyone sees art that would be completely amazing for an AoA character (even if it would be a reprint) please post it here or send it to me! I'm stuck on Iceman, Jubilee, and could use better ones for Banshee, Quicksilver, Dazzler, and basically the rest of the X-Men.

Quote from: DoktorSleepless on December 18, 2014, 02:44:32 PM
doing a Multi-Power 6 card (it's Thanos, who can use it) and was thinking "Man, I really need a character to do Multi-7, so I can do a Galactus Multi-8 and fix that lack of symmetry in the game". So I though Ultron was a good candidate. But you're right, I don't know that his fighting (or even really his strength, if I'm being honest) rate at a 7.

I think this is contrary to the current OP mechanic.

1,2,3,4 - Multipower
6,7,8 - AnyPower (OPD)
5 - both (both are OPD)

I think the idea was that 6,7,8 multipowers are too strong in terms of Spectrum KO - in a situation where you're an 8 vs. a 7 down to the power pack, the 7 has the option of letting all of your "X" attacks hit (assume you're an 8X), since he knows that he cant stop the 8 - an 8M is basically an auto-win for the 8-grid character, and it makes max 6 and max 7 characters extremely risky for tournament play. 

Jack did an 8M "Zero Per Deck" Galactus card for his Marvels expansion, which i think is a beautiful card http://overpower.ca/cards/power/0.png, but I think the game was intentionally asymmetrical in that way, and I dont think a 6M/7M/8M is playable.

Quote from: DoktorSleepless on December 18, 2014, 02:44:32 PM
Locations - I love what you're working with! I was brainstorming last night on locations (I need to work out the font on them, it looks like Rundfunk but my comp doesn't recognize it as any Rundfunk I have already) for 2099 and AoA. Any other input anyone has for any is appreciated!

Look here:  http://www.microsoft.com/typography/fonts/product.aspx?PID=148

The Font is Bernard MT Condensed (http://free-font.org/bernard-mt-condensed/)
The Font on the character names is Agency FB Bold (http://www.fonts101.com/fonts/view/Uncategorized/42927/AgencyFB)

I will add these to the font pack as soon as I find them for download (the link is for pictures, but its not a download link). EDIT: Added Links

Quote from: DoktorSleepless on December 18, 2014, 02:44:32 PM
Card backs - AoA isn't done at all yet, the one above is a placeholder. The 2099 back is very much a final back, teesaw designed it.

Let's not confuse "teesaw designed it" with "teesaw found a picture and pasted a logo over it"...just saying.