spider-man: 8 fighting?

[Nate Grey]

just a visual of who were talking bout

Why must you show that one?! It mocks me since I still don't have the Spider-Man IQ Card! 

[The Dude]

I think Spidey is definately a borderline 8. I remember arguing for that once myself when my circle was redoing OP and for the same flagships reasons. I think certain writers have portrayed him when using his spider sense as 8F, Tom DeFalco in the 80s being the most obvious when he had Spidey take down Firelord, the Synister Syndicate and his big battle with Hobgoblin during his run. However, I think overall under most writers it is hard to argue Spidey as a pure 8F - - look at the way he interacts (and defers to) Cap or Wolverine when teamed with them on fighting tactics as an obvious example. I think a better compromise for Spidey would be a "spider instincts" that acts as an 8F cc opd.

BTW to BBH, you don't see Bullseye as a clear 8F? In my view he's probably the second strongest of all the 8F's after Cap.

[Palatinus]

I think Spidey is definately a borderline 8. I remember arguing for that once myself when my circle was redoing OP and for the same flagships reasons. I think certain writers have portrayed him when using his spider sense as 8F, Tom DeFalco in the 80s being the most obvious when he had Spidey take down Firelord, the Synister Syndicate and his big battle with Hobgoblin during his run. However, I think overall under most writers it is hard to argue Spidey as a pure 8F - - look at the way he interacts (and defers to) Cap or Wolverine when teamed with them on fighting tactics as an obvious example. I think a better compromise for Spidey would be a "spider instincts" that acts as an 8F cc opd.

BTW to BBH, you don't see Bullseye as a clear 8F? In my view he's probably the second strongest of all the 8F's after Cap.

I think that fighting is pretty hard to quantify in general and the idea of comparing Spider-man to other fighters when in a team with them is an excellent way to try and come up with a rating.  I also agree that Bullseye does strike me as deserving of an 8 in Overpower.  His ability to compete with super-powered beings purely on his skill alone is pretty much what the fighting rating is all about.  As far as an 8 fighting cc for Spider-man, something powerful like that would help the character a lot.
I think that another reason Spider-man should have his skills fleshed out in specials rather than in stats is because when you look at someone like the Hulk or really any 8s character, the strength rating influences every action they take.  When they throw a hay-maker, it has a huge amount of strength behind it.  With Spider-man, I see his true power coming out in great moments when he just puts everything he has into one attack or strategy and that is how I see differentiating specials from power card attacks.  Power cards are what they do consistently and specials are what they do at a cost to themselves or by putting together a great attack or strategy to fit the moment or the fight.

[breadmaster]

good points, palatinus

in my own 3 grid system, energy and strength are self explanatory, and relatively equal (a 7e can compete with 7s)

fighting would be anything that's not E/S: flight, speed, agility, teleporting, intellect... a character only gets an 8f if they can compete with an 8 strength.  these would be rarer; characters like flash

and i couldn't agree more about your thoughts on specials.  that's how a character like luthor or batman should shine.