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I received my set today (along with a free set of Marvels from OP Legion) and these are some really nice cards. They look like a lost set of official OP cards, I really like everything about them. The box and instructions are also very nice, and I like how the set was sealed like an old starter deck.

I'll test out the cards this weekend, but I strongly encourage the group to pick up at least one set. The new characters that fill in the missing gaps in location cards, the multi-5 and anypower 8 that feature Marvel artwork and don't cost $35-45 each to build a competitive deck are reason enough alone, even if one were to ignore the revised Power Balance rules. I like the multipower teamwork cards, just the type of card I was looking for in regards to my own personal OP rules revision.

The quality of the cards are equal to that of the Marvels set Jack released. The Power Balance cards utilize the same backing as an official Marvel card and really have the feel of a 'lost' OP set. Each new character has one special card and perhaps we can adopt the new characters and their single special with the Absolute Evil set that is currently being 'brainstormed' and complete the remaining specials to make these new characters playable on a team, etc. Just an idea to consider.

Quote from: TGW on February 22, 2013, 02:15:02 PM
I received my set today (along with a free set of Marvels from OP Legion) and these are some really nice cards. They look like a lost set of official OP cards, I really like everything about them. The box and instructions are also very nice, and I like how the set was sealed like an old starter deck.

I'll test out the cards this weekend, but I strongly encourage the group to pick up at least one set. The new characters that fill in the missing gaps in location cards, the multi-5 and anypower 8 that feature Marvel artwork and don't cost $35-45 each to build a competitive deck are reason enough alone, even if one were to ignore the revised Power Balance rules. I like the multipower teamwork cards, just the type of card I was looking for in regards to my own personal OP rules revision.

The quality of the cards are equal to that of the Marvels set Jack released. The Power Balance cards utilize the same backing as an official Marvel card and really have the feel of a 'lost' OP set. Each new character has one special card and perhaps we can adopt the new characters and their single special with the Absolute Evil set that is currently being 'brainstormed' and complete the remaining specials to make these new characters playable on a team, etc. Just an idea to consider.

They sound great but I'm not in until Jack says these are an official, unofficial set!

TGW, thanks heaps for the incredibly detailed overview! Much appreciated. A lot of effort went into really making it feel indistinguishable from the real thing, so I'm wrapped to hear that you feel it's like a 'lost' official OverPower set. I'm thinking of uploading a video onto YouTube so people can see firsthand the cards and box, as you so well described in your post. It's such a good feeling holding the cards in your hand!

If I can get enough of these sets out there just to cover the cost of my initial outlay, I'd love to begin work on an extension to Power Balance with the same extremely high quality production, could include any cards the OverPower community felt was required.

Glad you're able to play test it as well TGW. I really look forward to your feedback. Again, a lot pf effort was put in here as well - fingers crossed the fee of the statistician was worth it here! (I guess if it doesn't work out, the cards could still be just used with normal rules anyway, LOL!)

EDIT: Just an update on the next batch - should be in my hands on Monday, so I'll definitely process everyone's orders then. Again, thanks for your patience!

Quote from: KObossy on February 22, 2013, 03:36:04 PMThey sound great but I'm not in until Jack says these are an official, unofficial set!

not to be mean but why would his opinion matter so much to you? just buy/play with them if you want to play with them. this isn't even his forum, i barely found out he isn't even a moderator on here.

its up to the small groups that play to enable or disable cards.

clearly jack's mission statement/philosophy on overpower is to make the game as finished as possible while still keeping all the rules as close to possible. he expresses interest in getting the cards out there that won't ruin the market and keeping the game as close as intended.

you wanna play with jack's 8 multi? make sure your opponent knows.
you wanna play with Angel using the X-Men Angel AD special? same thing.

jack'll never approve these because the whole point of these is to mix the game up a little, no offense PB.

PB, you wanted to make something and you did it, its more than im doing. im making a few new cards and such. but you really went for it, your love of the game really shows.

i'd love to have a set but $25 for 48 cards is a little steep for me. perhaps you can do a batch of the rare/favored cards somewhere down the line, a "facsimile" set?

somewhere i wanted to talk about legion from facebook, he clearly loves the game too and is doing just as much as jack and PB honestly.
he wants to change the location rosters and boost some of the crappy normal specials and give them away. that's cool.

we all play the game because we want to, not because one guy's opinion on what is acceptable.

I agree with BasiliskFang - if you enjoy the way any version of OverPower is played, then go ahead and enjoy it. Why should someone else dictate how you have fun? Remember, at the end of the day, it is a game afterall.

Power Balance was never intended to be accepted by everyone in the OverPower community. That's a given anyway - life would be pretty boring if everyone thought the same way. Power Balance was only intended to provide sustenance to the OverPower community, by giving them something to be excited about, whether that be via new rules to provide balance and have characters used that previously could not be used, or whether that be just via new cards to play with (for those who have no intention to play with changed rules). I'd hate to dictate how someone plays OverPower - but if others could get half the fun I got out of this custom expansion, then my work is done.

Realistically, I'd love to be able to provide the cards free to the whole OverPower community. The only issue is - and I'm being completely transparent here - I spent thousands of dollars paying commissioned artists, graphic designers, printers and statisticians on this project. Quality doesn't come cheap! If you want something done right, you have to pay for it! I don't believe I'll ever be able to recuperate the losses, charging $25 per set, let alone any cheaper than that! Hopefully Power Balance will be successful enough for the outlay to be partially compensated for, so that new cards of similar quality can be produced, and once again provided to benefit the OverPower community.

An interesting take on the game!  Some of the new mechanics seem very usable even with the original system.  Great Work!

A question for PowerBalance: 
On your site you list the formula for calculating new Point Values for each character.  What defines x (stat value exponential), w (stat category weighting), m (stat category exponential modifier), and a (adjustment factor)?  [I'd like to evaluate other homemade characters to see where they would fit in with the new scheme of play.]  Are they fixed numbers, or calculated from other equations based on .... whatever?  I'm no statistical wizard, but i'm not afraid of math.  Care to share?  (Hopefully this isn't "Proprietary Information".)

Quote from: justa on February 23, 2013, 01:04:36 PM
An interesting take on the game!  Some of the new mechanics seem very usable even with the original system.  Great Work!

A question for PowerBalance: 
On your site you list the formula for calculating new Point Values for each character.  What defines x (stat value exponential), w (stat category weighting), m (stat category exponential modifier), and a (adjustment factor)?  [I'd like to evaluate other homemade characters to see where they would fit in with the new scheme of play.]  Are they fixed numbers, or calculated from other equations based on .... whatever?  I'm no statistical wizard, but i'm not afraid of math.  Care to share?  (Hopefully this isn't "Proprietary Information".)

Indeed.

And also, I'm enjoying the work on this forum with the community's homemade's and the Power Balance rules.  The variety of new and available cards is really giving me alot to be excited about.  I will prepay for another set if Jack and Sean decided to print another, and I would prepay for the next Power Balance expansion.  What I love most is that NEW STUFF is coming out.  Small sets would be awesome.  10 new characters, a few loose specials, different franchises even (TMNT, Street Fighter).  I think the prices of each is really pretty good, considering a pack of Magic the Gathering cards is $4.99 retail price in most department stores, if not more.  I get a complete set of Power Balance for $25, I forget how much the Marvels were (but they weren't expensive by ANY means... I would've paid more!) and Jack and Sean really had the right idea by allowing multiples of nonOPD's in their sets to allow people an accurate count of cards for deck building per set.  I think Mr. Power Balance will make note of this with his expansion (which I hope you're already brainstorming about sir). 

For my money, on BOTH fronts, I couldn't be more satisfied.  Thank you everyone who keeps this awesome game alive.  Even comics arent' as much fun as OverPower.

Quote from: thetrooper27 on February 24, 2013, 02:00:05 AM

Jack and Sean really had the right idea by allowing multiples of nonOPD's in their sets to allow people an accurate count of cards for deck building per set.

I know I mentioned this on my feedback on the PB OP set but is there any chance in being able to order a set of cards consisting of an extra 1 of each of the non-OPD specials & one each of the Tactic, Power and Teamwork cards - (32 cards)?

Justa, awesome - we have a mathematical and analytical mind here. The values of the modifiers are (rounded to 2 decimal places)
x - 1.75
w - 1.80
m - 1.80
a - 1.60
They were derived by plotting a graph of all the things defined in "The Rules" section of the webpage, to create a curve that matches these points as closely as possible. The final formula actually took the primary stat value first, then quaternary, then secondary, then tertiary (i.e. in different order from the formula listed there). The adjustment factor (a) was basically applied to allow the mean, mode and median point values to be equal to 20, so as to allow 4 average characters to fit on a team. So, if you pick someone slightly better than average, it's gotta give somewhere else. I hope I explained it as clearly as possible, as I'm not really a statistician, but did try to understand it as best I could when he showed me his work.

Thetrooper27, glad to hear you are excited about this. It's people like you who give us the drive to keep making new things for the game. It's a good feeling seeing people respond positively to things you put a lot of effort into.

Garose74, unfortunately the cards have actually all already been pre-printed, so the only way to get extra copies is to order another set. To those wondering why I didn't pront multiple copies of non-OPDs in the same deck was because I needed to meet the printers minimum order quantity (those in the production industry would be familiar with this concept). For the printers to make such high quality products, they can't just print a small amount. Even if they did print a smaller amount, the cost would be the same as printing a larger amount. As a result, printing multiple copies of the same card in each deck but printing fewer copies of each deck itself would require me to charge twice to three times the cost for one deck. This ultimately works out the same for people who need more than one of each card anyways! LOL! But at least this way, if you don't need multiple copies (since not everyone does!), you don't have to pay more. Hope that makes sense!

We got our sets as well. I agree that the quality is great: I cant tell them from the real cards

I've already used some of the characters in my battlesites. I think we might integrate the multi-power card use rule, but I don't know if we'll use the new hero ranking system right now.

Thanks again. I will probably order another couple sets when they are available.

These cards look incredible.  I'm definitely looking to purchase a set or two myself, as soon as I can get some opponents to play against.  le sigh.  lol

Skeletaur, thanks for your appraisal of the cards. Much appreciated.

Demacus, ha ha, yes, OverPower does need another party to play with! Definitely hit me up if you'd like a copy - I guarantee you won't be disappointed!

Just for information, the whole second batch has been dispatched, so all people who have placed orders should be receiving them shortly. Feel free to get in touch with me now if you want copies, as the next batch will be coming in very shortly!

I FINALLY got my two sets today. I thought they got lost in the post, but they came today. All I can say is WOW. The box looks so good with the cello wrapping. The character cards are just sooooo good. They look so real, I can't believe how real they look. I almost think that these were cards that were supposed to be in Overpower but they didn't make them. Next to my other character cards, I really can't tell which one is real. I really like them. The teamwork cards are a bit strange, but I like the missing insert cards and power cards. The back even has the proper image. I haven't tried the rules yet. I might give them a test in the next few days.

Can you PLEASE make more of these cards? More CHARCTERS please. And more SPECIALS. But definitely more CHARCTERS please.

Kenshin, glad to hear you have received them.

I'm glad you like the cards so much, and thanks for your feedback. As mentioned, I did spend a fair bit of time searching for a commissioned artist who could replicate the character card images as closely as possible. I think it's also the little things done by the graphics designer that really make the card though, like the way it is shaded and the redrawn icons and white haze.

I am definitely keen on making more specials for the location card characters, as well as finishing off the missing Aspect cards and Intellect Universe cards as well. New character cards could definitey be a possibility too - any characters in particular you were interested in? Ideally, I'd like to collaborate with the guys behind Absolute Evils as they have similar ideas, providing they are willing to do so. Otherwise, I'm still happy to produce the necessary cards for you guys if you wish. Watch this space!

How mch longer until you will be out of stock completely?  With the Buffalo event coming up, I won't have the extra cash till probably around the first of April, but I would still like to order a few sets from you.