Palatinus' OverPower Forum

bad joke perhaps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydnEou978oI
20:28 that a new one to me

Quote from: drdeath25 on September 19, 2014, 02:33:27 PM
As for Jack's ruling about reneges. I honestly dont think its strong enough. What if someone had like 4 discards, but instead reneged to keep 8 cards in hand. They are going to concede and loose the battle anyway, but if your opponent saw you discard 4 they would always bet 3 or 4 more missions than they would normally. So in that case you only gain 1 mission its not strong enough. I say no mercy on reneges, and propose that you lose the game for any reneges. But a stipulation to leave it up to the guy who caught the reneg to be able to say "oh it wasent a big deal, ill just take this battle win and my +1 instead of making this guy forfeit the game". An  honorable way. If that makes any sense.

That would be the worst possible thing to happen. With the prize pools now involving money and getting much more extravagant, I'd really hate to have someone lose any match on their second hand because they accidentally kept a 5 in hand with a 5 placed. That's a valid renege call.

It needs to be ironed out for sure. The least we should do is a +1 venture and go from there. Depending on the severity of the situation the judges should discuss what happens and apply further venture penalties.

A +1 venture per illegal card would even that out nicely.

We did talk about it as an option. I think a simple +1 venture is enough, given how regularly reneges actually occur. But I'm not opposed to upping the ante.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TwdWvKExTE
pretty sure josh forgot that he followed up the teamwork at 25:12 with starjammers 83seconds prior (25:24) to following up with them a second time at 26:47

+1 per card is not enough of a penalty

that just assumes that the aggrieved would venture 1 more.  therefore it is still in the interest of the penalized to reneg.

either the reneg is caught, and the person comes out even, or it is not, and they come out ahead.  the advantage is still to the penalized party.

the goal is to have a penalty severe enough to discourage intentional renegs, but not an auto-loss for accidental ones

I don't know when all of you became pro overpower players. 

However, reneges clearly is a major issue for some reason.  Mistakes happen and the more we discuss HEAVY PENALTIES. the less new players are going to want to come out to our events. I am not saying it shouldn't be discussed, but maybe In a more formal face to face setting. We do get together 4+ times a year. In the 4 major tournaments I have attended there has been (from memory). 2 reneges and one game called. I do want a rule that does stop any purposeful cheating, however based off the history I firmly believe to start small In our adjustments of the rules and go from there.  Please remember 50% of players that come out to our tournaments are new players most times and could you imagine you come to a tournament and in your first game you make a mistake on nerves and then you auto lose the game.  This is bonkers.

Y'all remember overpower is supposed to be fun? 

Would it be better with no cash prizes?  I thought this would give an opportunity for someone travelling to possibly make some money back.

I will discuss the renege for the championships with Sean and jack.  We will post soon all official changes before the tournament. 

How about we start to point out some good plays by players on film. Instead of just narrowing on mistakes, like a bunch of negative nancies.

I swear I haven't seen anything fun on this forum in a while.  When I'm only laughing and smiling at extremely bad humour from the dousche doctor.  We need to re-think what this forum is about.

So to change the subject slightly. What was everyone's most surprising character used?? My call would be garions use of captian Britain.  Though maybe not the most effective team (I think). But damn did it have some gumption. Pushed me to the brink. 

Let's stay positive out there. 

OP CHAMPIONSHIPS.  One month away.  !!

What deck are you playin?

M
OP GOD

Steve, Good eyes here. However in your first example, I see nothing wrong. On one guys turn he plays DoW. On the next guys turn he attacks DoW with an activator. Next guys turn a power card attack hits a character. Next guys turn he attacks DoW again for a 2nd turn in a row. What am I missing?

However, you DID find another REALLY bad renege in the 2nd link you posted, which if happened to me i would want my opponent to forfeit the game. He did use starjammers to make two followups off a teamwork in a row, both were placed, and the opponent did not even notice. With all these reneges going on in the Canada group, it seems there is some extremely low-level play going on at these tournaments. Its a shame since they are basically the only tournament scene.

Marcel, My most surprising deck to see this tournament was Sean Valentine's. Galactus in reserve. Hulk and Dazzler on the same team. Now i've seen it all.

And as an attempt at brokering some peace with you, I have to say, I DO agree with you on the fact that this message board is super lame now. It used to be SUPER-AWESOME when nccannelora was here posting crazy ass house rules and stuff like that. I do miss him very much. Back then it was a bunch of uneducated players spouting nonsense, but it was FUN to post here. Now its all these super uptight players being all serious and it sucks. That may sound sarcastic, but its not, im 100% serious. I am also glad my bad humor made you laugh. See, I can be nice to you. Under different circumstances, I'm sure we could of been great friends. Probably would of played on the same High-School Football team, you know on the same "Futbol Americano" team, as you guys would say in Canada. Could of really been great "mates". Its not too late Marcel, I extend my hand out to you today in an offering of peace, that we may put aside our differences for the good of this forum and the overpower community. Do whats right. You just gotta do me one favor (favour in canadian?). Please. You cannot wear a hoodie and sunglasses on indoors. This isn't poker. Just dont do it again. Ever. If you can make sure in the Overpower Championship video I see none of that fashion nightmare, Then I DO ACCEPT your apology.

Lets end with one last Platinus Overpower Forum joke, however i do encourage others to participate:

Q: When Marcel loses a hand to his child in poker, what does he say?
A: You CAN bluff me, son!

its great to pickup the faults from a tournament, but there is no need to get hostile.

i want to get into this next year just to try a few ideas out against top tier players and decks.

prizes are just there i think to entice people that do travel, something of a little reward for showing up

these recordings are great, it shows people how the play typically unfolds, gives more continuity for future players getting involved with overpower and tournament play. keep it up.

if something turns up which you think is suspect you should be able to pause the game to get an official to oversee the correct procedure to promote the proper rulings

the meta ruling for cards that don't state if it lasts game or battle is unclear for newer players... the one per decks are typically the entire game, the non one per decks are typically only that battle.

getting the fine rules known to players would alleviate key issues.

maybe a pocket rule book this forum can create to have important meta rulings of key cards that run into trouble, so everyone can be on the same page and agree on that.

We need a tournament report from that Captain Britain deck, there are so few KL users that it is almost justifiable to include him in certain lineups with a battlesite.

Quote from: Onslaught on September 20, 2014, 11:19:41 AM
We need a tournament report from that Captain Britain deck, there are so few KL users that it is almost justifiable to include him in certain lineups with a battlesite.

yeah
that and sean's deck were 2 of my favorites

Hi All,

First of all, Marcel apology accepted.

Secondly, I'm in this game to have fun, and enjoy the community. If we are going to be serious about this game going forward, we are going to have to get serious about proper tournament etiquette/protocols. It is okay to say mistakes happen, but when such uncaught mistakes effect the outcome of the game that is very tough. For myself, if I discovered I've done something like that and it is too late to fix, I would resign the game. Some folks are saying "mike didn't catch it", but I had to be reminded of the ruling that if artifacts don't say OPD they are remainder of battle. I don't play Image Inducers usually, since the game has probably degenerated into 50% energy decks, so I frankly don't play them. So I had to remember a Legion ruling.

Which brings me to my final point. The game still has big issues. Some of that can be addressed by a reconsolidation of the mass of odd Legion rulings, game rules, metarules etc into a more coherent structure. We also still have some tendencies in the game towards certain designs. Folks get wrapped up in ratings, yet we still have major inequities in character strength and balance of specials, or even Any Heroes vs. Activators. It's like rating Chess when one side has four rooks vs. four knights.

We -can- fix, enhance, extend this great game, but it is going to take some effort and consensus by the community. If we accept status quo and do nothing, then the game will fade again. We can improve the game, and enhance the experience for everyone. More decks, more strategies, more playable teams, more crass tactics. All good. That is what gets my juices going. For example, BBH made the outstanding suggestion that DoW should be immediately attackable by as many Activators as you have in your hand, that would certainly rebalance AH vs. Battlesite designs.

But until we get serious about improvements to rules, balanced character sets and tournament play, we are still playing a dead game that may run out of steam once we muck out whatever odd combinations are left from the Marvels expansion. Kudos for Garion for dispensing with the AH megadraw deck to simply try something else out rather than stagnate. He essentially gave up #2 in the rankings to make a positive statement about the game. That was gutsy, and I'm proud of him.

I'm retiring from work shortly. I am quite willing to see what Marvel has to say about keeping this game going. [I'm going to propose a print-on-demand model with a legitimate licensing model for images.] I'm also willing to help out with restructuring the rules. I can put some time towards it. Again, the OP community was a outstanding one during the late 90's, and it can be great again. Look forward to seeing everyone in October, and  hope we have some serious discussions on moving the game forward.

PtG

Wel said Mike, well said.

I too was surprised that Garion chose to bring a new team into the mix rather his tried and true mega draw team (which i fear by the way lol)

I think one way to diversify characters use is by promoting more themed tournaments. As some of you know I was planning on running comic babe tournament in June which didnt happen. I forgot that in the summer my job becomes a 10 - 12 a day job leaving me very little time to organize it. Once the new event schedule is finalized ill see if i can sneak it in somewhere.

I personally think it would be better with no prizes at all.  if we're supposed to be playing for fun

mike hit on some key points that I agree with.  if it's 'fun', get rid of the rankings.  they encourage people playing purely to win, instead of trying new decks.  the other key is dow.  I've ranted on this enough, and as unbalanced as it is, it's greatest sin is that it decreases the FUN of the game

battlesites allow players to try out all kinds of wacky combinations.  the problem is, dow locks down most of the defense, making these decks not viable.  so now there are limited options, either use anyheroes, or use a deck with enough defense that it can hope to get out 4 activators without being devastated.  of course, at that point, if you have the defense, you might as well use anys and play it safe. 

it's pretty clear that it's been established any hero teams with shattered image can lock up the top spots.  let's have a gentleman's agreement that the top players (hey, maybe the rankings aren't so useless after all!) won't use anys.  I'm positive the variety of characters will expand, and different strategies will emerge

marcel, I'm not sure it's being overly negative trying to lock down a reneg ruling before the next tournament

I agree that DOW should be nerf a little so that the metagame can change and grow.  I like Sean's idea of being able to attack it with all Activators in hand at once. 

a little retweaking would be a healthy change, if something is that powerful it eliminates any meaningful counterplay

it still gives card advantage and a lock even with reduced power.