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Good catch! This is why I need other eyes... after 3 or 4 cards in a sitting, mistakes start slipping through.

I appreciate all the support and feedback on this project, and I would love if people would try proxying and playing these to give feedback on suspect IA's (like Jubilee's or Apocalypse's or Nightcrawler's... can anyone break these? I'd love to have good answers on some of these IA's) and the general playability of them. Although obviously the Specials are well tested, so it's mostly the new character grids and IA's that are unknowns. Regardless, I'm glad people are enjoying what I'm putting out.

So earlier in the thread, someone mentioned not caring much for the Apocalypse art. I needed to take a break from Specials for a bit, and I knew he needed revision anyway, so I took another crack at it. Revisions present here:
OF is now capitalized
Removed the +2 restriction on IA, per a suggestion from the thread
Altered art, per a suggestion from the thread


I'm comfortable with either artwork, so I guess just post your votes up here and I'll stick with the most popular one. We'll call the original the "old" and this card the "new" artwork for the purposes of weighing in on this.

Tonight I'll continue on with more Specials. Always more Specials.

really like the new abyss

new

If you send me the original apocalypse image I'll remove the speech bubble for you...that's one I won't allow...lol. speech bubbles in hero cards..

PM sent, I'd love to have the art cleaned better!

Here's more specials!



I have yet to find Drop Kick art for Dark Beast that isn't the art where he's drop kicking Beast. Seems dubious... but it may be the one.

both Apocalypse artwork are great... but i think the new one is more badass

Quote from: DoktorSleepless on January 25, 2015, 10:39:37 PM
Sadly, they never show him in the Uncanny X-Force issues! He's just mentioned. Anyway, in original AoA he appears in 8 frames of X-Man #2. These cards use 6 of them. Needless to say, the art is a stretch.

I cant beleive you got that much, looks good. & only being mentioned would explain why I couldn't find anything lol. There is supposed to be a AOA 2015 this summer I guess? I think I need to frequent comic shops more often... I think if its gonna have four tendrils & original art with no stat change. If it were me making it, Id go with Rossovitch & maybe a stat rearrange? Idk. Its hard to gauge the stats with only 6 frames to work with & as much as I like him as a character... There is one other image of him that might help.. I think it was on the 95 fleer untra as a alternate x card. Good pic of him there & it would give you one more image to work with.

I'm guessing his energy is all but gone with no "death spores" used or energy drain from tendrils used in the fight. Maybe a 2?

Fighting wise.. He got shanked & left for dead by Domino in like 10 min, not to take anything away from Domino but I was shocked by that so maybe he isn't as good as he once was. Maybe 4-5?

Strength- same maybe, didn't see anything really different except the 4 tendrils might boost him, So maybe 6-7?

Intellect- Same from what I seen in the book but if he was a big Russian boss like Kingpin or something like what you were talking about.. Maybe higher up like a 5-6 ish. Maybe like what the IQ version of Dr. Oc is minus a point in the intellect department.

I just didn't see anything to keep the 6/7/5/2 original I would think a reversal would look just as good 2/5/7/6... Just a thought having him in the mix is more that I thought possible or was able to do on my own.

As for Abyss..... Mannnnn... Sexy!

Apocalypse second hero- I like both, but agree with chuu.. No bubbles on hero but he offered to splice that out for you, so I'd say second hero. His stats are good for balance & his innate is bad ass & helpful with his specials! I love it.

Specials for the the others characters look great!

I'm really glad I've got an Omega Red fan to help on this one! I don't have a ton of backstory on Omega Red, I vaguely recall reading him in X-Men around issue 22 or so back in the mid-90's, but I was around 12 years old and it's been almost 2 decades. I suppose I should read the Marvel wiki on him.

I'm not sure whether or not his death spores are gone (I'd forgotten entirely about that, until you mentioned it), though as you said, circumstantial information indicates they are not present. It actually does appear he might have energy drain abilities though, as the image I used in "Drain Lifeforce" has associated text in the image where he tells Grizzly "We eat bears like you for breakfast (in Russia? I forget how the sentence ends)" and it does genuinely appear that Grizzly goes limp and becomes useless (and not because he's been crushed). That's when the battle moves to only Domino vs. Omega Red. So I could potentially see lowering his Energy rating a point or 2, more if I can find reliable information about his power set. I'll have to re-read the Uncanny X-Force issues to see if I can glean any more information (Weapon Omega talks about Omega Red several times).

As for strength, I'd tend to agree. There's not much indicating he's weaker, and he does lift Grizzly with his tentacles.

For Fighting, I'd actually council a little perspective. Remember that 1) Domino was Apocalypse's best assassin, and her mutant power causes situations to bend to her favor, and 2) She didn't kill him with that blow, which she (a trained assassin) thought was lethal and walked away after, and 3) This happened after a pitched battle in which Omega Red was also battling Grizzly (one of the two frames I couldn't use was Grizzly knocking him through the air backward). I reigned in Domino's Fighting to a 7, because I didn't think the set needed another 8 fighter and because she does get beaten by X-Man (in fairness, how do you physically defend having your mind torn apart? You don't). But she didn't beat Omega Red on her own, she had help. So while I can definitely see how you might argue his Fighting should be reduced a point or two, I'd argue that successfully beating Grizzly while fighting Domino, then surviving what should have been a lethal blow (and after that, apparently going on to crush your opposition beneath your heel and conquer the Eastern Hemisphere) probably qualifies him for at least a 6 Fighting still, if not the full 7 (the implication being he might have been Domino's equal or better as he claims in the frame I used for his character, but we'll never know because it was 2-on-1).

Intellect I ended up increasing 1 point. He's obviously already a threat to Apocalypse, so I'm assuming on this world Omega Red was already moving to consolidate power in Russia. I could easily see the argument for making him a 5, as he definitely is mentioned as the big boss later on. If that change was made, it would further justify his drop in Energy, and maybe the fighting too.

How about a grid of
4-6-5-5  or 3-7-5-5

Either of which actually drops him a point from where he is and back to the 20-point character he was in IQ, while still leaving him more AoA appropriate (the IA reflects how hard it is to kill him and the stat grid changes reflect the differences in AoA reality). Personally I REALLY like the look of 3-7-5-5. It gives him a pretty solid grid, actually makes him pretty good in the game outside AoA (I'm thinking of decks utilizing the Serpent Crown or the Witchblade, which make his stats very appealing either for boosting himself or for making the Witchblade more effective... IIRC the Serpent Crown boosts E rating to 7, and a 7-7-5-5 with that IA seems like a bruiser). Another option might be 3-7-6-4, which could also be good (though I personally think the 5-5 is better than the 6-4).

I sent Chuu the image this morning, so whenever he gets it back to me (no rush) I'll slap it in the Apocalypse card.

It just occurred to me that I might be able to sweet talk Chuu into cleaning up the Gambit image for the Gambit character card too. That would be awesome, as I think we can all agree that Gambit's art sucks right now.

I hope to start work on Mikhail Rasputin Specials tonight as well, as I work on other character specials. 

I'm not compelled strongly other than slightly differ from the original ratings. Of the 20 total goal I'd say 3-7-6-4 makes the most sense to me but as a rewrite or 2-7-6-5 (this one puts him right on par with AOA Wolverine hero intellect wise) or using the numbers from the original. But you offer a valid counter to my points.

In the end, its your creation & unlike most others, their is little to make a precise judgement for me at least. Seemingly lack of "death spores" but Grizzly passing out, must still have a healing factor if he lived from that shot by Domino but took them both on. So its hard to say...

I sent you a email containing 3 additional pics for him that are uncomplicated adds for more cards, links & info for him since you said you were a bit hazy on him overall. Anyways, great work!

Obviously I have been thinking a LOT about Omega Red/Rossovich and this set. I've come to some conclusions, and I'd love to get feedback.

The grid on the previous page is wrong. The correct grid is most likely 2-7-6-5, for the following reasons:

1) While there may be room to argue a slight decrease in fighting skill, taking the character in the larger context of the AoA mythos as expanded upon in Uncanny X-Force, Omega Red is obviously skilled/intelligent enough to be one of the most powerful on a planet full of fighters. (can I just say really quick, I HATE the Black Legion. They don't make any sense. The characters are obvious pulls from other universes. This implies Weapon Omega has access to other dimensions, in which case it's absurd that he is spending so much time fighting over the ruined dirt-ball of his earth simply to achieve some kind of ascension, and doubly absurd that he would fixate so much on his Jean when he has access to other Jeans. Plus, it completely defies AoA logic. Either he's obsessed with culling his planet for the fittest like Apocalypse was, or he's willing to pull in outside talent. I mean, otherwise why wouldn't you just cherry-pick all the "fittest" from various dimensions like Weapon Omega clearly did to form the Black Legion. Sorry, rant over.)

2) Building on that, it's obvious he needs a higher Intellect rating. Since he basically needs to be on par with Wolverine:AoA (which ignores that Weapon Omega likely had a much higher Intellect rating due to all that Celestial tech and knowledge) 5 seems like the sweet spot.

3) Given no evidence of his Death Spores, Energy is the logical place to pull from. This has an unexpected benefit: Carbonadium Synthesizer (EZ) suddenly goes from being good to awesome. Instead of increasing 1 point in Energy and 2 points in Strength, he gains 5 points in Energy and 1 point in Strength. For 1 turn (and off of a OPD, so at most you recur it once with Web-Headed Wizard), you basically get a 26-point character with a strong IA. I could see that (outside AoA) being totally bonkers in a "combo" deck where you use your other characters' card draw to set up a turn of Carbonadium Synthesizer, a "Soul Gem" effect where only Omega Red and one other character can attack, and a pile of high-point attacks and specials to guarantee you win your (7 card) venture and the game. I don't think it's unfair, because Negate effects exist, it's a narrow and linear path to victory, and it runs the very real risk of losing an important card to something like Iron Man's Industrial Waste or Adam Warlock's Detachment. But it is kind of sweet.

(can I also just say how much I hated the way they ended the AoA? Seriously, you let the whole dimension fill with crazy eradicator things, turn Jean Grey into Apocalypse, then let her go on a guns-blazing suicide run into things while they seal the dimension off? Ugh. Thanks for ruining AoA, David Lapham. This will sit nicely next to Caligula on your shelf of "things I've written that turn people's stomachs.")

Anyway, I'm going to go back with the new art I've received and do revisions/additions. But not right away.

As a die hard Omega Red fan I can say that from what I seen in the AOA in the 90's... 2-7-6-5 for Rossovich is great & you make a great point on the C-Synth. I didn't think of how much of a bad ass card that will actually be now. I think you did full justice to the character based on what was illustrated & to the overall balance of the game. Well played!

Thanks, I feel like the character is developing nicely.

Now, Chuu just sent me the cleaned up image of Apocalypse. He did an amazing job, and deserves every prop I can give him (PROPS TO CHUU!). In fact, he did so well I was able to readjust the image in the frame because I wasn't trying to cover up word bubbles with Power Grid. Check this out, and then everyone tell Chuu how totally boss he is for making this possible:

That looks totally amazingly sweet. THANK YOU CHUU!!!!

That's f-ing amazing, props chuu!

Very nice...this is shaping up to be a pretty cool set.

thanks for the props guys, i'm just helping the community

Update time! After a couple of days of not doing anything, I did a big push today. Also, after doing Weapon X, I've decided to go back and label Dark Beast specials as Dark Beast. Otherwise Weapon X was going to have Wolverine written all over his specials.














And yeah, as I was uploading, I saw that somehow I turned off the text on Bishop's AA special. It's late, I'll fix it tomorrow.