single most powerful character (pre Marvels)

[Nate Grey]

Interesting topic. I agree on both sides of the table. I like to include 8-stat characters on my teams, but at the same time I include teammates with good specials.

[breadmaster]

Even the best inherent ability in the game (Invisible Woman) doesn't even come close to the added value of an 8 stat character.

well now, as a footnote to this topic, we had our meetup on saturday with the max6 theme

however, a bunch of players didn't bring max6 decks

mine was built around the 3 inherent abilities of gordon/beetle/invisible woman (+2 to venture/battle)

against non max 6 decks (all of which had an 8 stat character, except bamfs wundagore team) the deck went 5-2

[/steath brag]

[Onslaught]

Non-stealth reality check:

Then the decks you were playing against sucked.

[breadmaster]

lol...never give an inch, eh?

EDIT:

FYI: one of the wins came against my beyonder deck, a deck that most defenitely does not 'suck'.

[Onslaught]

It's not very good either. That being said, you can draw your own conclusions about the skill of a player using 8E Beyonder decks losing to Gordon max 6.

[breadmaster]

It's not very good either. That being said, you can draw your own conclusions about the skill of a player using 8E Beyonder decks losing to Gordon max 6.

the same conclusion i can draw about the skill of a player using 8E Beyonder decks losing to a morbius max 6?

the same conclusion i can draw about the skill of a player using 8E Beyonder decks losing to a puppet master deck?

clown...

[Oscorp]

I have absolutely loved this debate.  And I must say that I agree with Onslaught that in a 1 vs 1 scenario 8 stat characters would have a definite edge over non-8 stat characters even with better specials.    Where as in a team setting specials and IA's can be used to elevate many characters into "most powerful" range.

But what I have loved most of all is Bread's final quote to Onslaught....   ouch man.

[Overtime]

Do they not have statistics classes in Canada?

[Onslaught]

Do they not have statistics classes in Canada?

lmao

The '96 Bulls team that went 72-10 in the regular season lost to the 21-61 Toronto Raptors that year. According to Canadian statistical analysis, this game proved once and for all that not only was Damon Stoudamire more effective than Michael Jordan ("high stats don't mean everything, Stoudamire has great inherent talent") - but also some guy name named Brendan Malone was a better coach than Phil Jackson.

[breadmaster]

perhaps you failed to grasp the meaning of my last post

you feel free to make sweeping generalizations about skill levels when results don't go as you predicted.  then you hide behind words like 'sample size' and 'outliers' when evidence further mounts against you

so which is it, onslaught? 

are you going to apologize for disparaging someone's skill level based on one match?  (by refusing, of course, you damn your own record, as YOU were the one who lost to morbius/puppet master decks with a beyonder 8 deck)

or are you going to back down, and admit 8s just maybe aren't THE determinig factor?

[Onslaught]

you feel free to make sweeping generalizations about skill levels when results don't go as you predicted.  then you hide behind words like 'sample size' and 'outliers' when evidence further mounts against you

You've yet to provide any evidence.

are you going to apologize for disparaging someone's skill level based on one match?  (by refusing, of course, you damn your own record, as YOU were the one who lost to morbius/puppet master decks with a beyonder 8 deck)

You're right, a buggy program with invisible placed cards killing characters at key moments using Looney Tunes cards that were never tournament legal (not just The Marvels; 6 anypower teamwork is a very bad thing for the game) against a non-Marvels deck is totally worth dwelling on and completely invalidates math, tournament data, and logical reasoning. Good thing there were no rematches in top cut, as you wisely DQed half of the qualifying players so you could move on as quickly as possible to the next tournament with a grand total of four entrants.

or are you going to back down, and admit 8s just maybe aren't THE determinig factor?

The cool thing about about facts is that they don't require someone to "stand up" for them, nor do they allow anyone to "back down." They speak for themselves. Sorry for your lack of ability to comprehend them - let alone provide a worthwhile reply to anything that's been posted in the thread so far. Arguments from perceived authority, ad hominem arguments, and anecdotal evidence are all meaningless in this discussion.

[Oscorp]

you feel free to make sweeping generalizations about skill levels when results don't go as you predicted.  then you hide behind words like 'sample size' and 'outliers' when evidence further mounts against you

You've yet to provide any evidence.

are you going to apologize for disparaging someone's skill level based on one match?  (by refusing, of course, you damn your own record, as YOU were the one who lost to morbius/puppet master decks with a beyonder 8 deck)

You're right, a buggy program with invisible placed cards killing characters at key moments using Looney Tunes cards that were never tournament legal (not just The Marvels; 6 anypower teamwork is a very bad thing for the game) against a non-Marvels deck is totally worth dwelling on and completely invalidates math, tournament data, and logical reasoning. Good thing there were no rematches in top cut, as you wisely DQed half of the qualifying players so you could move on as quickly as possible to the next tournament with a grand total of four entrants.

or are you going to back down, and admit 8s just maybe aren't THE determinig factor?

The cool thing about about facts is that they don't require someone to "stand up" for them, nor do they allow anyone to "back down." They speak for themselves. Sorry for your lack of ability to comprehend them - let alone provide a worthwhile reply to anything that's been posted in the thread so far. Arguments from perceived authority, ad hominem arguments, and anecdotal evidence are all meaningless in this discussion.

All of this just seems like a fancy way to say that you blew it and were able to back up your grandstanding blow-hard ways when it counted.   And you can rant and rave all you want, and make as many excuses as you need to feel better about it, but you lost and not only did you lose, but you were the only guy in that whole tournament who bitched and moaned and whined about almost every match you had.

You are a very good player and you build very strong teams I lost 2 out of 3 to you and conceded the other as a draw, but your poor sportsmanship is also unparalleled and it makes you one giant pain in the ass.

dude you can't always be right.  Learn to accept it and get on with your life.

You are starting to look like an over intelligent 5 year old pitching a fit just because you didn't get the candy bar you wanted.

Geeze

[breadmaster]

yet to provide evidence...are you mad?

i've provided plenty of evidence.  whether you decide to accept it or not (not...big surprise) doesn't discount the fact that it's evidence

as far as your points about the tourney...sour grapes much?

you knew going in that it was a marvels tourney; how you build your deck is up to you.  as far as classic inserts, i can only assume you're referring to BBHs game (as i didn't use any).  if you were done in by a single 6any tw, that says more about your deck's strength/the skill level of the person operating it than it does one (not very powerful) card.  and as far as 'invisible anext', as you said, i mentioned that i placed it, so the onus is on you to remember.  hell, i've never even heard of anyone complaining about a placed card disappearing before, and i've played a few games of opo.  but as oscorp mentioned, complaining was what you did best in that contest.  finally, as far as me DQing people so i can quickly (quickly...HA!) move on to the next tournament: i suppose a month to play a 1 hour game wasn't enough...would another month have been enough?

seriously bro...that whole section about the tournament seemed like a whiny brat's response.

a month between posts, and that's the best you can come up with?

[Onslaught]

dude you can't always be right.  Learn to accept it and get on with your life.

Erm

And I must say that I agree with Onslaught that in a 1 vs 1 scenario 8 stat characters would have a definite edge over non-8 stat characters even with better specials.

What am I not right about? You're agreeing with the point I'm making.

a month between posts, and that's the best you can come up with?

Yeah it's a wonder why I don't post here more often. It looks you've made lots of interesting contributions towards keeping things nice and active though, and the boards have truly been booming with new content lately.

[breadmaster]

i don't know about 'booming' but a couple minutes of research showed in the last month, i've created 3 topics, that have generated over 40 replies (not including me) and over 450 views

keep digging