so i was thinking about ultimate evil

Started by breadmaster, August 12, 2012, 04:32:24 PM

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steve2275

#285
it could be defended by quicksilver's CC  ;)
youre right

gameplan.exe

Quote from: steve2275 on February 13, 2013, 10:02:51 AM
it could be defended by quicksilver's CC  ;)

Quicksilver doesn't have a CC. his multipower is attack only (BV)=>(BX)
"i was thinking again about the balance/realism issue... and despite the grids, i DO really like this game"
- breadmaster

"Even comics arent' as much fun as OverPower."
- thetrooper27

breadmaster

i like that one for a bullseye special too.  initially i was thinking a big opd attack, but i do like the precision aspect of this suggestion better

i also like the DG for scarlet spider.  it gives his bq another offensive choice.  howbout a opd like crawlers

scarlet spider: Acts as a level 3 Intellect attack.  May make 2 additional attacks at +2.  Bonus not applied to damage, or Venture total.

still go go:

CEREBRO
GREY KING
HOBGOBLIN
KREE
MERCURY
MR SINISTER
MORBIUS
RED SKULL
SCARLET SPIDER
SHIAR
XAOS


BasiliskFang

non-OPD DG for hobglobin, but i'd like to see a jc or jw. my first choice would be JC, so he can combo with his AR, AT or universe AI.

thetrooper27

Quote from: breadmaster on February 13, 2013, 04:13:01 PM
i like that one for a bullseye special too.  initially i was thinking a big opd attack, but i do like the precision aspect of this suggestion better

i also like the DG for scarlet spider.  it gives his bq another offensive choice.  howbout a opd like crawlers

scarlet spider: Acts as a level 3 Intellect attack.  May make 2 additional attacks at +2.  Bonus not applied to damage, or Venture total.

still go go:

CEREBRO
GREY KING
HOBGOBLIN
KREE
MERCURY
MR SINISTER
MORBIUS
RED SKULL
SCARLET SPIDER
SHIAR
XAOS

Lets talk Sinister.  He's one my favorite badguys, and I KNOW there's some awesome Ramos artwork we can use from Messiah Complex. 8)  So what's he missing?  He has a big 9 of 2 icons, a 6 of an off type, and a hard avoid.  Still not getting much use though... what would put him over?   Merciless Mutant would be good if it didn't only use fighting attacks.  Maybe another fighting offensive special card?  With a cool secondary effect?
"wow...never notice how JACKED pym is in that pic before!" -breadmaster


BasiliskFang

Red skull - Sinthea - MB, 5f, ko by 3i.

halcyon1234

Quote from: ncannelora on February 13, 2013, 09:51:22 AM
Quote from: BasiliskFang on February 13, 2013, 02:00:59 AM
what if it was a 1m, only defended by a card with more than 1 icon.

I like this. It makes it a little more deadly than Longshot's, but also a little easier to defend. Also, if play-testing proves it to be a little too good, you could always make it a dual-icon attack, so it's not infinitely useful for Spectrum. You could (if needed) nurf it even more by making 1 of the icons Fighting. All that said, a 1EFSI attack would make his JX, AN, and KB cards get more play and the card would definitely fit his bill as one of the deadliest in Marvel.

Looking at the flipside...

it could be defended by Multi Power cards, lv.1-5,
it could be defended by Nightcrawler's CC
it could be defended by Riddler's CC
...
what else?

It could be defended by a Doubleshot. Or, an Activator.

gameplan.exe

Quote from: halcyon1234 on February 14, 2013, 09:18:13 AM
It could be defended by a Doubleshot. Or, an Activator.

Not if the Bullseye card is written like Longshot's One In A Million.

that card (CV) is very restrictive. Longshot's cannot be defended by a level 3 Power card "with" anything else, it must be by itself. The special does not say defended "with" a level 3, it says defended "by" a level 3, which is much more restricted.

So, if the Bullseye Special was written like this:

Quote* [Deadly Accuracy] (CV) [OPD]
        Acts as a level 1 Energy, Fighting, Strength, or Intellect attack. Can only be defended by a card with more than one icon. If defended, the defensive card hits Bullseye.

Then it could only be defended by a single card, not a combination.
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Seeing it written out, though, brings up a crucial point:

Is there any defensive-only card that could defend this hit? because if there is (or ever is), then it makes the secondary effect of this Special a little trickier (see MH Specials for referrence).
"i was thinking again about the balance/realism issue... and despite the grids, i DO really like this game"
- breadmaster

"Even comics arent' as much fun as OverPower."
- thetrooper27

BasiliskFang

#294
* [Deadly Accuracy] (CV) [OPD]
        Acts as a level 1 Energy, Fighting, Strength, or Intellect attack. Can only be defended by a card with more than one icon. If defended, the defensive card hits Bullseye.

but if it was like this:
* [Deadly Accuracy] (CV) [OPD]
        Acts as a level 1 Energy, Fighting, Strength, or Intellect attack. Can only be defended using cards with more than one icon. If defended, the defensive card hits Bullseye.

if he gets hit by a DS he could get spectrumed KO'd bc the 2 cards making the DS would separate.

think about it like this...how many cards would the opponent have to defend 1 in a million? 1? tops 5?

maybe we can do a survey to see how many multi icon defenses people have in their decks.

what scale in playtesting do you use to see if a card is fair? if it hits 50% of the time? according to statistical theory, 50% Win/Loss is fair.

gameplan.exe

Quote from: BasiliskFang on February 14, 2013, 05:20:44 PM
what scale in playtesting do you use to see if a card is fair? if it hits 50% of the time? according to statistical theory, 50% Win/Loss is fair.

First of all, I think this should have a much higher hit rate than 50% - fair has nothing to do with this (IMO).

Secondly, I was thinking more about this and I think it should even just read:
"May only be defended by a Power card with more than one icon..."

It takes out any future guess work. It makes it much more clear and able to be "played as written." It's really only excluding (near as I could tell) two other cards.

Like I said initially, it's more deadly than Longshot's, but that's appropriate based on character. It's more deadly, but easier to block, and carries more risk to Bullseye (since he's subject to the same Spectrum, plus there is Venture/Cumulative capital to gain).
"i was thinking again about the balance/realism issue... and despite the grids, i DO really like this game"
- breadmaster

"Even comics arent' as much fun as OverPower."
- thetrooper27

breadmaster

this was how i worded the bullseye card

Crosshairs: Acts as a level 1 Multipower attack.  May only be defended by a card with more than 1 icon. (BA)

I don't like the idea of it hitting him if defended.  This is a OPD, and it's only a level 1 attack.  if you know the opponent has this card, and still decide to let 2 icons hit, you're playing with fire.

good points about sinster.  he already has all 4 icons with different attacks, as well as a chunky one.  it seems a gimmicky card would work best.  i was thinking of giving him posts kherubim, and pumping up post with a devastating opd

also, with skull, i was thinking of reflecting caps energy shield card, riffing further off the evil super soldier reflection.

so, how do these look:

Mr. Sinister-Eugenics: Play during battle. For remainder of game, any Special played by Sinister or Sinister's teammates may not be Negated until "Eugenics" is Negated.  OPD (MP)

Post-Elimiate Variables: Opponent may not use Activators or Any Hero/Character cards for remainder of battle. OPD

Red Skull-Cloned from the Best: Acts as a level 6 Fighting attack. If not successful, draw top card from Draw Pile. If drawn card is an attack, Red Skull may use it. If drawn card is not an attack, discard it to the Dead Pile.  OPD (OF)

gameplan.exe

Quote from: breadmaster on February 14, 2013, 07:03:21 PM
this was how i worded the bullseye card

Crosshairs: Acts as a level 1 Multipower attack.  May only be defended by a card with more than 1 icon. (BA)

I don't like the idea of it hitting him if defended.  This is a OPD, and it's only a level 1 attack.  if you know the opponent has this card, and still decide to let 2 icons hit, you're playing with fire.

good points about sinster.  he already has all 4 icons with different attacks, as well as a chunky one.  it seems a gimmicky card would work best.  i was thinking of giving him posts kherubim, and pumping up post with a devastating opd

also, with skull, i was thinking of reflecting caps energy shield card, riffing further off the evil super soldier reflection.

so, how do these look:

Mr. Sinister-Eugenics: Play during battle. For remainder of game, any Special played by Sinister or Sinister's teammates may not be Negated until "Eugenics" is Negated.  OPD (MP)

Post-Elimiate Variables: Opponent may not use Activators or Any Hero/Character cards for remainder of battle. OPD

Red Skull-Cloned from the Best: Acts as a level 6 Fighting attack. If not successful, draw top card from Draw Pile. If drawn card is an attack, Red Skull may use it. If drawn card is not an attack, discard it to the Dead Pile.  OPD (OF)

Oh! well, as a (BA) it's a totally different feel. I think that's completely fine! In our group, we gave Catwoman a card "AristoCAT" and it's a level 1M that may not be defended by males  :-*
"i was thinking again about the balance/realism issue... and despite the grids, i DO really like this game"
- breadmaster

"Even comics arent' as much fun as OverPower."
- thetrooper27

BasiliskFang

I think that ba for bullseye is cool.
The red skull energy replica is nice too.

steve2275

Quote from: breadmaster on February 14, 2013, 07:03:21 PM
this was how i worded the bullseye card

Crosshairs: Acts as a level 1 Multipower attack.  May only be defended by a card with more than 1 icon. (BA)

I don't like the idea of it hitting him if defended.  This is a OPD, and it's only a level 1 attack.  if you know the opponent has this card, and still decide to let 2 icons hit, you're playing with fire.

good points about sinster.  he already has all 4 icons with different attacks, as well as a chunky one.  it seems a gimmicky card would work best.  i was thinking of giving him posts kherubim, and pumping up post with a devastating opd

also, with skull, i was thinking of reflecting caps energy shield card, riffing further off the evil super soldier reflection.

so, how do these look:

Mr. Sinister-Eugenics: Play during battle. For remainder of game, any Special played by Sinister or Sinister's teammates may not be Negated until "Eugenics" is Negated.  OPD (MP)

Post-Elimiate Variables: Opponent may not use Activators or Any Hero/Character cards for remainder of battle. OPD

Red Skull-Cloned from the Best: Acts as a level 6 Fighting attack. If not successful, draw top card from Draw Pile. If drawn card is an attack, Red Skull may use it. If drawn card is not an attack, discard it to the Dead Pile.  OPD (OF)
rather nice